i asked phillipo grande. he reacted to trump's latest decision which was breaking just as we were wrapping up this interview. phillipe grande welcome to this program. >> thank you. >> just give me an idea of some of the stories you heard today. >> so many stories. you know, last night, as you said, i travelled. i flew with 122 refugees that we have helped get free from detention centers in libya to niger to where hopefully they'll be resettled in a third country. and i spent time with them during the long flight and heard lots of stories. stories, of course, of why they became refugees in their own countries. stories of war, persecution, a lot of discrimination and violence. but then on top of that and this is the new feature we see in refugee crisis, stories of abuse and violence on the way because a lot of these movements are at the hands of smugglers, traffickers that are true criminals that make a business of people's lives. >> what's going wrong with the global response to refugees? >> unfortunately some