host: phoenix, republican line. caller: thanks for your contributors, c-span, and the people that call in. it is a really complicated issue. it is a shame that -- it is hard to implement policy emissions, epa regulations when everything is coming from the top down. we under estimate as consumers the ability for us to change how we buy from, what we buy -- who we buy from, and what we buy. the oil companies have tons of money. if we, write to them and the legislature, they have lobbyists that will go to washington for us. i am conservative. i am in an area where my environment, my responsibility as a consumer and what i can choose to purchase and choose to say to the companies that fail to make money -- are you seeing lobbying influence? guest: they are involved in every piece of legislation. it is basically because people's interest are affected by legislation, so you have interest groups and lobbyists that tried to advance or defend those interests. the consultation that senator bieber men and a republican senator

phoenix, arizona, the number two capital of sid napping in the world. does anybody believe if we could enforce our immigration at t border that phoenix would be the number two capal of kidnapping t world? mr. speaker, it's important to note that 90% of te illegal drugs consumed in america come froor thrgh mexico. that meanacro our southern border. 90% of the illegal drugs. i pointed out that we have four million, the number is probably down a little bit from that, but i don'tavany other da, four million illegal border cssing attempts a year. maybe we stop 10%. that means at we still have a number that is about 3.6 million sucessfuborder crossings a year at a 10% interdicti rate. 3.6 million. i did the math, 11,000 aight eve night. what was the size of santa ana's army? 4,000 to 6,000. we're looking at a number every single night that's at least twice the size of -- i'll say probably twice t size of santa ana'armyveingle nig, pouring across our southern border, bringing in 90% of the illal drugs in america. are importing the violence and death that gos w

she joins us from phoenix. you do not favor this execution, donna, he killed your soul mate, why?oul. and he loved people and he loved life. and he would not have wanted ronnie lee to be killed, especially in his name. his father also knew that about michael. and asked, please, to not execute him. we speak for michael saying michael would not have wanted the execution. i would not have wanted the ex-cushion. execution. and neither would ron tumu who went down and tried to give him mouth-to-mouth after he was shot even though ronnie lee had not been caught yet. trying to save his life. >> larry: have you contacted, ever spoken to ronnie lee? >> yes. he asked to speak to me last month. >> larry: what did you tell him? >> what did i tell him? >> larry: what did he tell you, what did you tell him? >> that's between us. but we each had, a, yeah, that was our conversation. and i felt really good about it. and it brought closure for me on a level that i needed. >> larry: this is a tough word, do you forgive him? >> i never judged him. i never blamed him for michael's death. i felt the lo

these locations go all the way up to phoenix. they control the transportation routes there. they tell them when to go and when to stop and run drugs where the border patrol and other law enforcement officers con verge on a vehicle and sacrifice one of their people for the means of bringing a truckload through. that happens. it happens regularly. we have a massive number of illegal border crossings. backpackers marching through the desert. guys with 50-pounds or more and march 100 miles. you look at their shape and they walk back and forth in the desert and get paid to smuggle drugs in the united states. we sit here and allow drug smugglers to control the transportation the routes in america all the way up to phoenix and we aren't able to snap those people off those mountains and lock them up or put them through the shakedown and find out who they are affiliated with. and we can listen in on the radio but can't understand it because it is a scrambled chatter. and they supply them and bring them food and drink and other things that they need as well as weapons and i have been

host: phoenix, ariz., on our line for republicans. caller: i have a question. am a city bus driver. they use our videotapes on our buses all the time to litigate accidents. sometimes they had used the video tapes on our buses on the local news depending on what they are reporting. my question to you is when the drum is out there looking for the forest fire, is it possible they will say, while you are out of their, we look -- we are looking for drug activity out there. host: have they ever used videotapes from your boss to prosecute criminal activity there in phoenix? caller: yes. host: really? guest: right now, whether the aircraft complies depends on what kind of specific operations they have been given. they're dealing with permissions for people who have permission to fly these things on the case by case basis now. almost every application comes very specific restrictions. they cannot fly over a force looking for a forest fire and then decide flying over a house to see if there is illegal activity. they are not supposed to do it. that is not how it works. ho

difficulties in side arizona, the kidnap capital of the nation is not in new york or los angeles, it is phoenixarizona. there sat there and watch the federal government lacks the protection of that border, and almost a funnel directing and. they have asked for the help. janet napolitano when she was governor as for that. they have watched an action by a rancher, who would help people the needed water, get murdered. so when you look at the arizona people waiting patiently for the federal government to act, they cannot sit back and ignore the problem that they are having three baby disperse a great debate and we need to have a debate, but a state cannot sit back when they have the murder capital, they have the right to protect their citizens. it is only enforcing the laws that are already on the federal books, and the federal government will not do their job, we are a nation that has been able to grow by immigration. my family came here from ireland and from england. we have a problem when it comes to immigration. one, the system does not work. you cannot get through it rapidly and honestly. two,

host: the next call is in phoenix. caller: we have a leg here. have a different person -- lag here on the tv. i have a different perspective. i had an illness and i have not been able to get back on, because they string people along and give you hope of getting hired. they have a rapid turnover and as we are seeing in the gulf, they engage in a lot of dangerous and potentially catastrophic activities. the bush administration says you are a walking dead man and you will lose your job. i was a republican, but i have seen -- i thought it started under ronald reagan using phony accounting. only in the last couple of days have they covered real unemployment novels -- numbers around 18%. instead of having these corporate people making billions of dollars and providing little service to their country or people, instead of one man making $2 billion the trickle's them, that should be 200,000 $100,000 jobs. we need one person who teaches at the university of texas to come in near and stop putting up these numbers. they need to stop storing it felt the peop

phoenix, arizona. mack, independent line betty caller: i think we are going into a depression or something like that. it definitely seems like it is getting bad and nothing is improving. so, i think we are. i wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the white population has been decreasing over time. i would like to know if anybody has any information on that. host: long beach, california. alex, democratic line. caller: i don't know if i can comfortably address the previous caller statistically speaking, if you look at the spreads on t- bills, they are no longer inverted. it does not seem at this point we will be heading a double-dip recession. host: talking about treasury bonds? caller: you look at treasury notes generally, they are indicators whether you will hit a double dip recession. the difference between the three-month bill and a two-year bill, the spread, going in reverse, negatively as the curve goes down like it is supposed to go up -- that is a precursor you will go into a double-

phoenix, arizona, paul on the republican line. caller: i think that she is free to have her own opinion, but part of this problem is that people seem to think that they can stay for ever and be whatever. there is a time for people to leave, and her time to leave was probably a long time ago. host: why would it be hard time to leave? caller: she has been in their years, ok? the generation that came out of the 1960's will stay in their jobs until they die? at some point, each generation has to have their chance at stuff. and she has been there a very long time. and she has harsh opinions and she says pretty much what she thinks, and that is fine. but, i am sorry, it would be nice to hear some opinions from the younger crowd, too. we support israel a lot, and that is fine, but the problems with the israeli-arab conflict have to do with both parties, not just one of them. you know? if these groups were not using the aid for other purposes, that is fine. but i think that some point, the people need to get the notion that it is time to

[applause] that is what arizona did after drug gangs turned phoenix into america's kidnapping capital and washington refused to use its own immigration law to protect its own citizens. what happened is a desperate arizona had no choice but to pass its own version of existing federal law. let me say that again. the desperate people of arizona had no choice but to pass their own version of existing federal law so that they could enforce what washington, d.c. it would not. they saw no other option. but before the ink was even dry on that law washington set out to condemn it. and without doing anything to solve the crisis that forced arizona to pass a law in the first place. you saw it. from house speaker pelosi to senator charles schumer the same political elitists who want to deny your right to protect yourself from violent criminals want to block enforcement of a law that could stop those drug cartels, kidnappers, and killers. ladies and gentleman, it has been reported that two months ago in cochise county, a rancher reported a massive drug shipment on his county. drug smugglers came i

host: phoenix, richard you are on -- richard, you are on. caller: i would just like to make a small comment. first, the bp ceo as well schooled in sidestepping -- is well schooled in sidestepping the questions. the thing i was impressed with today with all of the attorneys and congressmen of their is that there actually is gearing -- up theire is that they are actually gearing up to focus on the cost. the sensors that were to be put down there, that would have been the cause of the blowout. i work with sensors and i know becausthey play a critical part. they sort of work like idiot gauges. but anyway, they're questioning in that area and the recommended blowout preventer, they were supposed to use 21. even if they had used six that day. that is all i had to say. host: here is a tweet -- from marion, va., dennis on the independent line. dennis, what are your thoughts? caller: it is fairly obvious that bp is going to have a few -- a huge financial debt. the idea that bp is going to get out of this without being hit financially [unintelligible]

he began his teaching career as a high school math teacher at paradise valley high school in phoenix, arizona. welcome to the program. guest: thank you. host: let me start with your reaction to the governors and state school chiefs' blueprint for what might be a national syllabus on english and math standards. guest: we think is important to have a common chord standards. the important distinction is that it is that from the national level, but 48 states that have agreed -- that is not from the national level, but 48 states that have agreed on that standards. host: who are the two states that opted out? guest: off the top of my head i cannot tell you that r. host: maybe i can find it for you. why does it matter to have a court standards? guest: i think it is important that, number one, one at a work together on this and talking to some of the state cheap school officers, they are trying to make them consistent -- chief school officers, they are trying to make them consistent and more concise. all students have an opportunity to learn what they need to know to be successful in the 21st

one of the cities would be phoenix, arizona.re is some anxiety that the arizona immigration law will be a hindrance. bill clinton is in south africa making the case for the united states did. a lot of other figures from corporate america and political america have gotten behind the bid. michael bloomberg is playing a big role. host: do you think the u.s. has a shot? guest: i do. the u.s. is the market soccer is trying to crack. they figure the world cup is the best way. it worked in 1994, the last world cup that we hosted. one of the pre conditions was that we would launch a domestic soccer league. it has been tremendously valuable to the game. it has produced some of our best players. host: calif., drew. caller: soccer is a great+ game, but your guest has failed to mention that south africa has a serious problem with child sex slavery. it is a significant issue. it is true that this opportunity for the world cup in south africa is a moment to reflect on all of the progress south africa has made in getting rid of apartheid, but

/host: phoenix, arizona, our democrat's line.newline]caller: i caller: i believe our biggest problem are the employees. we pay their taxes and total salaries which is twice that of the taxpayer, as far as averaging goes. therefore, their benefits should be paid 1 hundred% by -- 100% by them, and it is not. because they get to vote for their own retirements and raises , et cetera, and naturally those are going to be three times as much as we would get in a -- in a company we went to work for. in addition, they give tax-free exemptions to big companies. i worked for t.w.a., and then i went to work for american express. both companies did not have to pay real estate tax by the state. they were given that just to get them in the state to do business. guest: well, you do raise two important points. at the beginning of this segment, we talked about what has gotten cities into trouble, and one is the large benefits packages. packages. on the one hand, you want the city to be able to hire the best people for its police department and for

he began his teaching career as a high school math teacher at paradise valley high schl in phoenix, arizona. welcome to the program. guest: thank you. host: let me start with your retion to the governors and state school chiefs' blueprint for what might be a national syllabus on english and math standard guest: we think is important to have a common chord standards. the important distinction is that it is that from the national level, but 48 states that have agreed -- that is not from the national level, but 48 states that have aeed on that standards. host: who are the two states that opted out? guest: off the top of my head i cannot tell you that r. host: maybe i can find it for you. why does it matter to have a courstandards? guest: i think it is important that, number one, one at a work together on this and talking to some of the ste cheap school officers, they are trying to make them consistent -- chief school officers, they are trying to make them consistent and more concise. all students have an oortunity to learn what they need to know to be successful inhe 21st century and it ia glo

host: mike in phoenix arizona. caller: good morning. i have two questions for the former director of intelligence. during theee times of hardship in this country, most people are cctting back on education which they are cutting back on that. i was wondering why that was one of the first things to go. also, i was wondering why the expectations so high for you to be able to get into the mints -- to get to the military because you did this or that now. the military was the one that would shape up and making it the man. guest: i really do not know too much about the last part, but on your first question you are right about educction. we have budget difficulties and fiscal difficulties at the moment in our country. we are having to come to grips with that. let me say, both in the military and the intelligence commmnity, education is extremely valuable. is a said earlier in the show, i think the level of education of our military officers these days is extremely high and very, very impressive. certainly to be a good intelligence analyst, you

difficulties in side arizona, the kidnap capital of the nation is not in new york or s angeles, it is phoenix, arizona. there sat there and watch the federal government lacks the protection of that border, and almost a funnel directing and. they havasked for the help. janet napolitano when she was governor as for that. they haveatched an action by a rancher, who would help people the needed water, get murdered. so when you look at the arizona people waiting patiently for the federal government to act, they cannot sit back and ignore the problem that they are having three baby disperse a great debate and we need to have a debate, but a state cannot sit back when they have the murder capital, they have the right to protect their tizens. it is only enforcing the laws that are already on the federal books, and the federal government will not do their job, we are a nation that has been able to grow by immigration. my family came here from ireland and from england. we have a problem when it comes to immigration. one, the system does not work. you cannot get through it rapidly and honestly. two, we