now i'm learning how to print photogravure, which is one of the first photographic processes.t, in itself -- you look at photogravures, and there is this magical, mysterious life to it that i never see when i look at digital. anyhow. tavis: i asked that question -- i press on the question of why because the answer you just gave is really far more philosophical than maybe you even meant it to be. i was just in conversation with myself the other day. i said, maybe it's just me wanting to hold onto the past, and maybe for some reason i'm afraid of certain things in the future, and what i realized is it wasn't any of that. love living in the moment. i love planning for the future. to your point, i find there are so many things in our world today that don't have the sole -- soul and the spirit of the old stuff. the good stuff. some of it is so blank -- lacking and bankrupt and empty and hollow. maybe it is just me preaching. >> i agree with you completely. tavis: i take your point about that. after the story, we talked about the beautiful photographic work inside the book. it is --