they're really essential for photoreceptor health and for photoreceptor survival. and several blinding eye diseases involve -- and their treatments -- involve these pigment epithelial cells in the retina. we'll hear about these cells. they'll feature really quite large in our conversation. >> charlie: that's enormously helpful. thank you very much for the huge understanding of how we see and how important the brain is and how important the pathways are. i want to come now to jean and talk about -- we mentioned gene therapy and stem cell therapy and other things. how can gene therapy be helpful? >> well, carla has set the stage for this perfectly because she's explained how the pigment epithelium provides nerve function for the photoreceptors, providing nutrients to the cells, taking away waste products, and the two cell types are interdependent so that, if there's a problem in function of one particular gene in one of those cells, it affects the other cell secondarily. so in the next image is an illustration of one particular example where a mutation can cause dise