, and they're really essential for photoreceptor health and photoreceptor survival.and several blinding eye diseases involve and their treatments involve these pigment epithelial cells in the retina. we're going to hear about these cells. i think they're going to feature really quite large in our conversation. >> charlie: that's enormously helpful. thank you very much, a huge understanding of how we see and how important the brain is and how important the pathways are. i want to come now to jean and talk about -- we mentioned gene therapy, stem cell therapy and other things. how can gene therapy be helpful? >> well, carla set the stage for this perfectly because she explained how the pigment epithelium provides a nerve function for the photoreceptors, provides nutrients to the cells, taking away waste products, and the two cell types are interdependent so that if there's a problem in function of one particular gene and one of those cells it affects the other cells secondarily. so in the next image is an illustration of one particular example where a mutation can caus