but i wanted to begin with my touchdown phyllis rose's observation. he was teasing me after the session. she said what is this? it's all guys. it's all guys talking about guys. and i thought this is a moment to repair it partly because we had to guys and dolls writing about other women won in the form of fiction and one in the form of biography. but phyllis opened the question with what is this thing about guy writers getting into the lives of other guy writers? i want to know first of all from the ladies perhaps what about ladies getting involved in ladies lives? judith thurmond had mentioned before she wrote about call at it was gloria steinem who had said go for it. we need some stories of these people. would you get us started? i looked at two things. what our female writers doing in these other women's lives and then what do you see the guys doing and a big playpen of literary biography? >> well, first of all i'm so excited to be called a doll at this time this morning after having -- every single night here. i guess that's a girl thing. [laughte

that led to begin with phyllis who is next to me. what do you see as having draw new to these particular subjects? >> okay. i'd like to go back, if i may, little earlier considerably earlier to one i'm in grade school even to explain my rather simple notion about why the person writes a biography. when i was in grade school i think it must have been, i don't know, seventh or eighth grade. therefore i was not attend, i don't know. ahead to write. [laughter] ahead to rebel we call the book report about a biography of an admirable woman so i went to the library. there were only two biographies of women in the entire library as far as i could see. one was eleanor roosevelt and the other was the duchess of windsor. even by nine or ten or never i have had quite enough of eleanor roosevelt. so i chose the duchess of windsor. i brought it home. mother asked me what i was doing. i said, well, i'm writing this book report on the duchess of windsor's because she is an admirable woman. my mother got bent. she said, admirable? what did she ever d

us now for more on the chuck hagel its prospects of becoming defense secretary i'm joined live by phyllis bennis director of the institute for policy studies has been has a goal told in the senate i head of the hearing that he's ready to act on iran if needed i mean what used to be he's used to be far from trigger happy about striking iran is he now backtracking on that i think that he is prepared to say almost anything to get her right so that means you are going line with that present there to use this notion that quote all options are on the table we can expect him to say that we can expect him to talk about the importance of the relationship with israel all of those things will be repeated i think it's true that every nominee who comes before the senate. will use the language that they bring will work they will use the language their great being will persuade the members of the senate who are not sure to vote for them what they actually stand for is probably better identified by their earlier writings when they were not running for office. many say that hey goals nomination could some

in a way this is the obliqueness phyllis is talking about. nobody is going to say look at what has happened with libya. they're not going to say that, obviously. but this is part of the lesson learning mission that soon-to-be secretary kerry is on and needs to be on in order to figure out how do we not be part of the problem anymore. >> that's absolutely right. it's libya we did intervene and syria we are intervening in the sense of we're sending money and helping other people send weapons so it's not like we're sitting by. but in terms of what happened at libya, that has been the lesson learned to the extent we can. my sense is that your feelings about the libyan intervention are different than these and i want to get your sense of what the effects are after we take a quick break. zzzquil sleep-aid. [ snoring ] [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] it's not for colds. it's not for pain. it's just for sleep. [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] because sleep is a beautiful thing. [ birds chirping ] zzzquil -- the non-habit forming sleep-aid from the maker

us now from all in the chuck hagel is prospects of becoming defense secretary i'm joined live by phyllisbennis director of the institute for policy studies has been has a goal told in the senate i hate all the hearing that he's ready to act on iran if needed i mean what used to be he's used to be far from trigger happy about striking iran is he now backtracking on that. i think that he is prepared to say almost anything to get by the senate that means he will follow the line which is that there isn't that obama has used this notion that quote all options are on the table we can expect him to say that we can expect him to talk about the importance of the relationship with israel all of those things he will be repeating i think it's true that every nominee who comes before the senate. will use the language that they were they will use the language their great being will persuade the members of the senate who are not sure to vote for them what they actually stand for is probably better identified by their earlier writings when they were not running for office. many say that hey girls nomina

>> will i can't really channel phyllis. she has set a lot of good things but i'm aware that a lot of the audience is female. and you know it still happens that men get to talk a lot more. [laughter] i don't feel the way i used to in the last century for example about the feminist issues that came up when you had to be under guard all the time. such as mark who you thought was going to go on forever. [laughter] it was really interesting. >> i'm really sorry. >> no, no. i don't feel that way anymore. i almost don't feel -- may care what gender anyone is at the stage in life. i'm not conscious about it but the sideways take i want to take on this also but not only a lot of people here are women but also our novelists i think in wayford a tremendous amount about biography. bike and take this little detour for a minute. during the whole weekend that i had have been mulling this over. may be he transited this and -- but isn't there -- there's a difference between a novel in and a biography and i would like to know what colm and p

. >> if you want to sort of track phyllis rose's mind, what she was thinking about, i sensed it. in the conversation of the three guys talking about their three guys, the fundamental question was enough already. what is going on in the sandbox with the boys? do you read anything like it? >> i can't really channel phyllis but she's a lot of good things but i am aware of the philosophy of the audience as female, it still happens that men talk a lot more. i don't feel the way i used to about the feminist issues that came up when you had to be on your guard all the time. [laughter] >> really interesting. i don't feel that way anymore. i don't care what gender anyone is at this stage of life. i am not conscious about it. but sideways take i want to take on this, not only are a lot of people here women but also novelists. we've learned a lot about biography. if i could take a little detour for moment. i am mulling this over, maybe we transcended this question in the wonderful appreciation of fiction and biography. there is the difference between a novel and a biography. i would love to

here's another thing that two forms have in common that has been splendid be put by phyllis roads who wrote in parallel lives, we are desperate, it added the word, desperate for information about how other people live because we want to know how to give ourselves. for me that is true of biography, but it is also true of fiction. i want to give a single example. it is from dostoevsky's brothers karimov, a chapter called rebellion which is right before the grand inquisitor. ivan, the oldest brother, is giving his view on the christian idea that there is an all-powerful, all knowing benevolent god and that things will ultimately work out for the best and ivan makes his argument through stories and this is one of them. there was in those days a general of aristocratic connection, the owner of great estates. our general settled on his property of 2,000 souls, lives in palm and domineer over his poor neighbors as though they were defendants and buffoons. he has kennels of hundreds of towns and nearly a hundred dog boys all mounted and in uniform. sorry to put us all through this on a sunday

and here's another thing that the two forms have in common that has been splendidly put by phyllis rose who wrote in parallel lines, we are desperate. that is the word. desperate for information about how other people live because we want to know how to live ourselves. now for me that is certainly true of biography but it's also true of fiction. i want to give just a single example. it's from dostoyevsky and it is from a chapter called rebellion which comes right before the grand inquisitor. ivan, the oldest brother, is giving his views on the christian idea that there is an all-powerful all-knowing and evelyn god and that things will all ultimately work out for the best. ivan makes his argument through stories and this is one of them. there was in those days a general of aristocratic connections, the owner of great mistakes. our general settled on his property in 2000 souls lives in -- and dominators over his poor neighbors as though they were dependents and buffoons. he has candles of hundreds of hounds in nearly 100 dog -- -- mounted in a uniform. i am sorry to put us all through thi

phyllis rose, it is like from oklahoma where everyone can be an artist. here we can be a star. and our subject today is the eyes of weatherford, the biographer and the limits of the objectivity. and the others of which i dreamed up. [laughter] now, a light to begin by mentioning the biographies of our, you are not contestants. [laughter] of our participants. . .

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to hear more of phyllis's story, visit lyrica.com.ust served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>> which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? chris cillizza is back with us. hillary clinton making a lot of headlines with her farewell appearances. >> no question, andrea. i'm looking forward to the interview. look. she is someone who until she gives a shermanesque i will not run, i will not allow myself to be recruited, the field will wait. lots of people say, good, the whole field will wait. that's three and a half years away but it gets started early in 2016 and the planning for a president's race is massive. she is -- she is the domino that has to fall first for this whole race, particularly on the democratic side to proceed so every word she says to you

other women, phyllis schlafly who ended up a much smaller organization, talks to everybody. and really some unlike beverly lahaye and concerned women for america deserve more attention and for posterity should deposit their papers somewhere where scholars can read them. >> host: sarah behringer gordon is a professor of law and a professor of history at the university of pennsylvania. this is her most recent book, "the spirit of the law" religious voices and the constitution in modern america, harvard university press. she is also the author of the mormon question and you refer to polygamy a couple of times in our short discussion here. with that -- was that the issue about the mormons, that really kind of got under people's skin and? >> guest: it was the most prominent one. there were others and in some ways if you think, say, questions of access to public places or religious speech in life as a key to the 20th century, then the 19th century, the really big question was would mormons be allowed to redefine marriage for themselvee legal system enough so that polygamy would be

newt gingrich was in my flight in coach. [ phyllis diller laughter ] >> stephanie: they were having about the outreach and the moving forward as they say. [ phyllis diller laughter ] >> stephanie: wait a minute, i have leftover thai food. talk amongst yours. >> rue da bay ga rue da bay ga. >> stephanie: i can't find it. they already screwed up in their outreach to women and minorities. >> thai food is not the best for breakfast. >> stephanie: why? >> it's a spicy. >> stephanie: i don't get it spicy. >> you can put hot sauce on your eggs. >> i don't like that as well. >> stephanie: i'm not eating spicy. i'm eating [ inaudible ]. >> is it from that place i told you about? >> stephanie: yes. yes. oh, my god -- by the way here is a little story -- i think i'll do a little story instead of going to the assault weapon's ban. as you know i'm a -- >> shut in. >> stephanie: elderly shutten, and a single loser, so chris not only produces my show he produces my life. explain how i couldn't have gotten around washington without you. >> you couldn't. >> stephanie: chris had an iphone and i also di

troops in afghanistan will switch to a mainly subordinate role phyllis bennis from washington based institute for policy studies believes it's still a long way off before local forces will take full control. we're talking about an official acknowledgement by the two governments that now the afghan military is in control what that means is anybody's guess but what it does not mean is that the u.s. troops are going to be pulled out early there's a huge occupation force in the country that's not going to be brought out in twenty thirteen in the spring what we're talking about is a claim that as of that time the afghan people the afghan military the afghan government will officially be in charge they will be in charge of the military now the idea that the u.s. forces still there or the nato forces still there are going to take their orders from the afghan military i think is rather spurious that's certainly not going to happen i don't think the afghan government has the capacity to survive without massive u.s. support that means both economic support and crucially military support but his relianc

phyllis bennis director at the institute for policy studies things that a chuck hagel is standing firm by his beliefs hey go has never been outside the box he has not been one of those inside washington and hollywood for escalation against iran in fact he came out against unilateral sanctions in favor of diplomacy officially that is president obama's position as well there are enormous pressures coming from pro israel lobbies coming from the neo conservative. forces in the tanks and in the media calling for more escalation for war against iran he has resisted that and i don't think the fact that he said. the magic words if you will during his testimony today is a ship i believe just stands on the side of those insiders those washington insiders who are less so eager to go to war that doesn't mean there is no chance it just means that it's a very unlikely possibility. well there is governmental worries over energy independence a doing its best but the russian wine is duty of paul plant after invalidating a national referendum that back the construction plan story off the shelf break. th

to hear more of phyllis's story, visit lyrica.com. >>> and finally tonight, a modern gold rush, going ocean. hundreds of thousands of dollars in gold. so, who gets it? well, come with the adventurers descending on nome, alaska. abc's bill weir was there. >> reporter: if you happen to be off the coast of northern alaska, hear the sound of opera floating across the water, it could be one of two things. cold induced hallucinations or emily ridell. until she can make it on the stages of europe, she makes ends meet on the bering sea. and diving to the bottom with a ten-inch suction hose. let other girls wait tables. emily is chasing gold. >> i would much rather dive in freezing water than waitress. whoa! >> reporter: she's part of the modern rush of drifters and dreamers, drawn here by ancient geology and the modern economy. ages ago, glaciers smeared gold across this land, and when the recession hit, prices topped 1,800 bucks an ounce. >> half an ounce. >> reporter: that's still -- >> 1,000 bucks. >> reporter: this family borrowed hundreds of thousands to build a backhoe on a barge they c

phyllis bennis director at the institute for policy studies things that a chuck hagel is standing firm by his beliefs hago has never been outside the box he has not been one of those inside washington and hollywood for escalation against iran in fact he came out against unilateral sanctions in favor of diplomacy officially that is president obama's position as well there are enormous pressures coming from pro israel lobbies coming from the neo conservative. forces in the tanks and in the media calling for more escalation for war against iran he has resisted that and i don't think the fact that he's. been the magic words if you will during his testimony today is a shift i think just stand on the side of those insiders those washington insiders who are less seger to go to war that doesn't mean there is no chance it just means that it's a very unlikely possibility. well there is governmental worries over energy independence say it's doing its best but the russian wine is due to have paul plant after invalidated a national referendum that backed the construction plan story off the shelf br

announcement of come forces are in no position to take full control of the war torn country says phyllis bennis from the washington based institute for policy studies. we're talking about an official acknowledgement by the two governments that now the afghan military is in control what that means is anybody's guess but what it does not mean is that the u.s. troops are going to be pulled out early there's a huge occupation force in the country that's not going to be brought out in twenty thirteen in the spring what we're talking about is a claim that as of that time the afghan people the afghan military the afghan government will officially be in charge they will be in charge of the military now the idea that the u.s. forces still there or the nato forces still there are going to take their orders from the afghan military. leaving will leave his government and his own position in a very in a very precarious moment and he may well not survive that politically for the spend his talk to be on the president's washington trips done and dusted the. people of new york what they think of the coun

you and you say that precious metals equities have been a widow maker if i lasted a year or so why phyllis. i got an argument with one a wall street finest one he said he said. he said i think precious metals are overpriced so i said i can one up you on that i haven't a clue how to price it but what i can do is i can evaluate the competence of central bankers and i think this is a fact. i want to know they're there doing things that would make romans blush right this is bad is bad momentary policy month and so you continue to be bullish based on the hallways of central bankers then you are already that they're going to keep printing i'm going to keep holding ok we're going to go to break when we come back there's so much more i want to get into more on the year in review with professor david color of cornell university also still ahead we're seeing some strong responses to our car to go c.e.o. interview this week i'll respond to your comments both good and bad today's viewer feedback but first your closing market numbers. you know sometimes you see the story and it seems so you think you u

support contingent remains as cohort said at this news conference that's happening as i speak it phyllis bennis is on the launch director of the new internationalism project institute for policy studies on the line from the u.s. capitol i for listening to you both president said that ensuring the security of the country will fully lie in the hands of the afghan forces starting this spring to really think cobbles ready for. you know i think it's quite clear that afghanistan is going to remain a very unstable and dangerous place for its people for a long time to come the u.s. years of occupation as happened during the soviet occupation have thoroughly destabilize the country there is a great deal of violence it's going to be a very very difficult time but that's going to be true with the u.s. troops pulled out tomorrow or if they pulled out in one year or in two years or in ten years that is the reality and i don't think that the time frame is going to change it i wonder how the taliban are preparing for the spring how. well i think we have to be clear that the what is being talked about t

. >> phyllis diller. amazing trailblazing comedian. >> she was. >> alex, sorry to see you go?. george mcgovern and robby shankguard. very different men. >> i'm very sorry to see go whitney houston. >> yeah. >>> we're going to be back with more of our "last word" holiday show. ♪ ♪ >>> welcome back to. ♪ >>> welcome back to. >> reporter: "the last word" holiday party. our new category is the biggest surprise of 2012. karen finney, what was the biggest surprise of 2012? >> that we were able to call the election right around 11:00. >> you know, i wasn't surprised by that. >> wow weren't surprised? >> i actually thought that's what was going to happen. >> i literally had thought that it was going to be a much longer night. >> most people did. >> i thought it was going to be a much bigger mess. i did not think the president was going to win without us having some debacle in florida. thankfully we did. >> joy reid, the biggest surprise. >> the biggest surprise is that mitt romney actually chose paul ryan as his running mate. i have to say i said on the very last word, the after show

to hear more of phyllis's story, visit lyrica.com. >>> it's going to be a powerful picture this afternoonpowerful group of senators announcing their proposal for immigration reform. let's bring in our gaggle. msnbc contributor, perry baker. pete, i want to start with you. you were in the bush administration the last time comprehensive immigration reform was on the table. you look at these eight senators, chuck schumer, john mccain, dick durbin, marco rubio. it's as good as it get when it comes to a picture. you throw it in there, it's got southwestern senators. it's as good as it gets for a bipartisan plan. done deal? >> i don't know about done deal. i wish it was a done deal. there's something you expect. you expect lindsay graham and john mccain to be on that list. you cannot underestimate the importance of having marco rube y -- rubio on that list. you see the shift -- >> a little defensive. he's having to play a lot defense. >> a little bit but the fact that he's a part of it and he's so well liked in that segment of the republican party for which is comprehensive is code word for amn

>> this is phyllis kerns, i'm from greenville, south carolina. >> a lot of people from south carolinau from? >> brooklyn, new york. >> brooklyn? i graduated brooklyn college. >> yay! >> where are you from, sir? >> right here. >> l.a.? >> belize. >> belize? where are you from, young lady? >> i'm from oregon. >> how long have you been here? >> i have been here since august, i am here for an internship. >> has anybody -- did anybody come for 2009? you were here in 2009? >> i sure was. >> all the way from brooklyn. >> from brik brooklyn, new york. >> sfloet far. going down here, getting a little close. what but, young lady. where are you from? >> from china. >> did you come here just for this or are you living here? >> this is my fourth year here, international student. >> are you excited about the inauguration. >> really excited. >> a little chilly out here. >> doesn't matter. >> i can't yeah? >> good to see you. >> hello, cutie pie. >> hi. >> how old are you? >> 9. >> 9 years old. you are as cute as a button what grade? what grade are you? >> fourth. >> what is your name? >> maeze. >> n

. >> to begin with, rusher liked almost any active reasonably responsible and vigorous phyllis conservatism. he therefore appreciated talk-radio, appreciated the more controversial aspect of fox news, she watched fox news. he specifically admired rush limbaugh even 20 years ago before rush limbaugh was quite as much of a household name as he is now. i asked him about the "national review," which for some time -- this is about 2005 or so, for some time of course it had been more sort of reportorial and news oriented than it once was and iyad there were people who didn't really like fat. rusher said he was fine with that, she was all for that. he also told me -- and i don't believe this was really a confidence -- batt when buckley himself retired from the actual editorship of the magazine which was in stages she told them and i don't know if it was personally to buckley or not but it was in his view of the "national review" have not be just another conservative magazine, but it was important to retain its identity and its brand. so it's clear from that and he specifically mentioned its hinge,

here the badgers trying to hold on before phyllis gets intercepted. stamford wins its first rose bowl since 197220--- 1972. 20-16 the final. >>> we'll have full coverage of the redskins practice starting at 5:00 this evening. i'm kristen berset. have a great wednesday. >>> they didn't make the january deadline. >> but congress did come up with a deal of sorts that retroactively avoids the fiscal cliff. we have team coverage when we return. 6:25. here's monika. >>> on the inbound side of i- 66, an accident after the main toll plaza has been cleared. now there's an accident inbound 66 after route 50. the left lane is blocked there. here on the northbound side of 95, slow in springfield. i'll be back with more traffic coming up in a few minutes. you're watching 9news. we'll be right back. gldz we're -- >>> we're back at 6:29. this is always the place to get your weather first. >> good morning, mr. president. you must be happy things are moving forward. >> he's happy. he's in hawaii. >> tell him we said hello. 36 degrees here in northwest. we're glad you'

>> phyllis diller. >> alex, sorry to see you go? >> i have two. george mcgovern and robby shancar.y different men. their losses will be felt in different worlds but they were kingmakers. >> and i'm very sorry to see go whitney houston. >> yeah. >> we're going to be back with more of our last word holiday show. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. >>> welcome back to the last word holiday party. our new category is the biggest surprise of 2012. karen finney, what was the biggest surprise of 2012? >> that we were able to call the election right around 11:00. >> you know, i wasn't surprised by that. >> you weren't spice surprised? >> that's what i thought would happen. >> i thought it would be a much longer night and i really thought it was going to be a much bigger mess and i did not think the pre

. >> phyllis diller. amazing trailblazing comedian. >> she was. >> alex, sorry to see you go?. george mcgovern and rob gi shank gl guard. very different men. >> i'm very sorry to see go whitney houston. >> yeah. >>> we're going to be back with more of our "last word holiday show." ♪ smoothes, lifts, defies? red jars are all the same right? wrong! you need three uses of a $15 cream to equal the moisturizing power of one use of regenerist microsculpting cream. seems not all red jars are created equal. olay regenerist. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. ♪ >>> welcome back to. >> reporter: "the last word" holiday party. our new category is the biggest surprise of 2012. karen finney, what was the biggest surprise of 2012? >> that we were able to call the election right around 11:00. >> you know, i wasn't surprised by that. >>