phyllis bennis. , she is a fellow at the institute for policy studies. she's written several books, including most recently, "understanding isis and the new global war on terror." let's begin with yazan al-saadi in beirut. your response to the surprise announcement that apparently not only shocked the political establishment in washington, but the pentagon and the state department as well. your thoughts on president trump saying starting now he is immediately removining 2000 u.s. troops, beginning with state department employees being evacuated immediatately? are plelenty ofof thoughts i havave. we can s start w with the idea t isis in my h head that i don't really thinknk there is going to be a fulull withdrawal because peopople assume thatt finally, e u.s. is gogoing to be out. you mighhahave a large chunk of the boots on the ground leaving, but it seems very clear that the american air p power is going remain. the u.s. led d coalition itself, whwhether it is france or r the u.k., are gointoto be on t the ound.. the idea a of this full americican withd

amy: let me play a clip to you a phyllis bennis. we spoke to her on thursday right after the announcement about syria, u.s. pulling out all 2000 troroops. this w w her response. the warplanes and the drones are going to continue to be bombing in syria. and it is ththose u.s. bombs and u.s. coalition-led bomombs that pressure,ng enormous wreaking havoc on the people of syria. again, this is something spoken about eloquently. only look at raqqa in the other cities largely destroyed by u.s. bombing, after being under attack, both people and infrastructure of cities, by isis. this is not going to qualitatively change that on the ground. amy: "this is not going to qualitatively change things on the ground." andrew bacevich, for those who think the u.s.s. will not be involved in the bombing of syria, that it would make it more an air war along the lines of the u.s.-backed saudi bombing of yemen right now? >> i think she's makingng a gret point. you don't haveve to have troopsn the ground in order to engage in war. you don't have to hahave