amy: still with us, ro khanna of california and we are joined by phyllis bennis, fellow at the institutecy studies. phyllis, let's begin with you. one provincial capital after another is in taliban control. can you talk about the significance of this? >> i think this important we recognize that this kind of a crisis was inevitable whever the u.s. pulled out, whether it was 10 years ago, 19 years ago, or 10 years from now. the reon being this was rooted in the nature of the u.s. occupation that began in 2001. there was not at that time, there is now not a military solution to terrorism, which was ostensiblyhe reason for the occupation of afghanistan will stop there is noilitary solution to the "problems of afghanistan." and the notion the u.s. could create a military force in afghanistan that was going to be prepared to defend the country against an indigenous opposition force, the taliban, was never going to be possible because it was based on the idea this would be a military that was supporting a goverent shaped and imposed by the united states in a western model that had no bearing on

tonight our senior political scientists for the grant corporation, mike mazarr, also with us, phyllis bennis, and fellow at the institute for policy studies, she is the author of ending the u.s. war in afghanistan. phyllis venice, let me begin with you and with your expertise in this arena. i wouldn't presume to guide your thoughts on this tonight, i've been eager to hear what you're thinking about what appears to be the end of the american military involvement in afghanistan. >> you know, lawrence, listening to you just now talking about the comparisons with vietnam, i'm old enough to remember that warm to remember the night that it ended for the u.s.. one of the things that comes to my mind is the vietnam's interim, the derisive name that was given to the rise of resistance to military intervention that followed that war, it lasted a good 15 years, didn't mean the u.s. didn't intervene. but those wars were a result of what was called a syndrome, they did not move to full scale warfare and it meant the congress at a certain point was willing to cut funds, all of that is something that we sh