we're joined today by phyllis bennis, author and fellow at the institute for policy studies.author of many books. phyllis, if you can respond to president biden's address talking about ending this forever war and stopping a forever exit. >> you know, amy, i think there were a number of things that present biden said in his speech that were both te and important. the most important of which was it was right and important to get out. he did not say it was wrong to have gone in and in the first place in a war that was illegal, that wasot authorized by th unitedations for self-defense, that violated international law, that justified and normalized terrorism across the understanding of this country. buit was right to get out. the huge problems in terms of how they got out, how the withdrawal happens, he acknowledged only barely -- which is a huge problem -- but i think keeping the focus on the significance of ending the war was very important, particularly because he was willing to acknowledge and focus on the economic cost as well as the human cost. those figures from brown unive