. >>> well, all phyllis campbell wanted was a voter i.d.nto hassle, the couple from tennessee ended up testifying. right now, 15 states have laws requiring a government issued photo i.d. to vote in elections and tennessee is one of six states this passed laws requiring the i.d. proponents are saying these laws crack down on voter fraud. but critics say it makes it more difficult for some to vote. joining me live from nashville is lee and phyllis campbell. thank you for being with us this morning. good day to you. >> good morning. thank you for having us. >> phyllis, i'd like to start with you. so, you walked into the driver's license testing center in your area. you asked for a voter i.d. card. tell us what happened after that. >> well, as we walked into the door, people were lined way, way up right to the door. i thought, well, probably most of these are wanting to get their driver's license or get it renewed, so lee thought well, he's going to go see if they have an express lane, you know. >> how big was the line? 100 people? >> no, proba

. >> joining me now, lee campbell, a retired high school guidance counselor and his wife phyllis campbell as phyllis -- you and phyllis went for phyllis to get her i.d. that's now required to vote, and when you were just testifying at that forum before the congress persons, you were saying free i.d. you wanted and they said get a duplicate that cost money. what do you mean by free i.d.? and why were they pushing you to the duplicate that cost money? >> i was saying free i.d., because that's what was in the legislation. that was passed by the tennessee legislature last spring. and i felt that the amount of the money, $8, wcs not the question. we could easily afford that, but the question what you that by paying an $8 fee, twhap would in effect be paying a poll tax? >> you're absolutely right. and the reason you had to get the i.d. at all is because they've imposed this new law. and is it so that you want to therefore go and get new i.d. to vote that was not required before, which is why you and lee were there in the first place, phyllis? >> yes, that's right. >> so all you wanted to do wa

phyllis campbell. longtime voters from smyrna, tennessee. smyrna, tennessee. i'm sorry. i got my accent room. thanks. under tennessee new voter laws, registered voters may apply for a free voter id if they like other forms of total lack otherion, -- forms of voter identification, but not the campbells. they went to roomhell trying to get registered to vote. >> it is a pleasure to be here. i'm phyllis campbell from smyrna, tenn., just as my has a family and my daughter back here. with the new laws, i needed to get out federal identification since i am over 60 and tennessee does not require photographs on id's. if you are over 60. people were lined up to the door. we thought maybe they had a special line for those who only one of the total. i will let him tell you the rest of the story. >> good afternoon. chairman conyers, members of the committee, fellow residents of tennessee, representative cohen, before continue with the narrative, how like to introduce myself. my name is lee campbell and i am a native of lake city, calhoun county, iowa. i had a 42-year career in publi