it was just old school using what you had to make the best of a tough situation. >> as phyllis crowellr van, hyman puts the vehicle in the camera sight line. >> meeting with crowell in the kmart supercenter in charlotte. >> he pulled up perfectly to see the entire front of the vehicle. >> hey there. how you doing. >> tired. >> i was calm, but i think i was a little thrown back when she was so forward, just like talking to your next door neighbor, just like talking to a casual acquaintance, never a stress in her voice, it was just a straightforward conversation. >> you thought about this thing some more? >> seriously, still have no inhibitions about it at all. >> you always deal with the issues in cases where you work undercover, is this really what you want to do. >> you and i are sitting at a bar talking, you just made the comment you know, i'd really like for you to kill my wife, is that a violation of the law? no, it's not, because you're probably just talking. they actually have to take that first step. >> at the prosecutor's suggestion, hyman asked for a piece of jewelry as a down

. >> phyllis crowell, a teacher in the town of matthews talks to an undercover agent about a timeline for killing her husband jimmy. >> i think we're both polite with each other. blame it on southern culture. i'm a good ole southern boy. >> c.j. highman, the atf agent, is posing as the hit man. >> you got two doors o in the back. >> that's the way you're brought up. whether you're talking about hey, can you fix me roof or can you kill my husband, it's just natural. >> we knew that if she did "a," "b," "c," and "d," we were going to make the arrest that day. >> darryl price is part of the joint task force with the atf. monitoring the meeting from other parts of the shopping center. >> we had a pickup truck marked with a camper shell on the back. and there were several of us in the back with an old style vhs camera. we didn't have hollywood technology. it was just old school using what you had to make the best of a tough situation. >> as phyllis crowell waits in her van, highman positions the undercover vehicle in the camera's sight line. >> contact with phyllis crowell on the kmart sup