it was just old school using what you had to make the best of a tough situation. >> as phyllis crowellvan, hyman puts the vehicle in the camera sight line. >> meeting with crowell in the kmart supercenter in charlotte. >> he pulled up perfectly to see the entire front of the vehicle. >> hey there. how you doing? >> tired. >> i was calm, but i think i was a little thrown back when she was so forward, just like talking to your next door neighbor, just like talking to a casual acquaintance, never a stress in her voice, it was just a straightforward conversation. >> you thought about this thing some more? >> seriously, still have no inhibitions about it at all. >> you always deal with the issues in cases where you work undercover, is this really what you want to do. so at that point, there was no doubt in my mind that she was serious. >> authorities need the suspect to take some type of action to prove her lethal intentions. >> if you and i are sitting at a bar talking, you just made the comment you know, i'd really like for you to kill my wife, is that a violation of the law? no, it's not