phyllis schlafly. so the modernest world view -- traditional world view would have a lot more belief in sort of truth being revealed through revelations, through faith. the modernist is much more scientific, more of the enlightenment of progress, through science, through reason, through capitalism, and it's -- if you think about -- we estimate that 30% of the population of the united states is traditional and that's where their anchored, and about 50% is anchored in modernism. so some of the examples of modernist would be thomas jefferson, ben franklin, madison, john f. kennedy, einstein,ed disson, i milton freedman, in some ways. and guys like bill gates. a strong federalist. the progressives which make up 20% of the population, we estimate, that is -- each of thesecomes out and as the world view evolves they partly reject the world view that they -- that came before them. so modernism rejected faith. it rejected religion largely. so many modernists or athiests and believe in reason, they believe in s