i think of phyllis sclaffly, who herself was a powerful independent woman, traveling all over the country, doing advocacy. she wasn't a shrinking violet staying home and baking cookies, but she went to war against the equal rights amendment. she went to war against it and won, and got it to not be ratified, saying what she's defending is the real rights of women, the right to stay home and be a housewife and mother. no one has ever said you can't be a housewife and mother. what this right wing is saying is that we're going to set up legal barriers and a combination of carrots and sticks to make you be a housewife and mother whether you want to or not. that is not freedom. it's something, but it sure ain't an advocacy for freedom. >> look, phyllis sclaffly like many high profile republican women have figured out how to have it all, which is to have a high profile career, high profile career praising the merits of staying at home, so that you can enjoy both the social prestige of domesticity and the kind of political influence. that said, we know from around the world that there are ways --