joining me now is the man him self he used commissioner for economic and financial affairs pia moscow we say good evening thank you very much for coming in you've said that the e.u. must seize the opportunity to make a credible blacklist of tax havens what counts as a tax haven. attacks even is a country which fulfills three criteria first a country which does not respect the global standards of governance of the set in what we call beds procedure from the us you second a country would not have automatic exchange of information on readings or was simply on the personal accounts and third country which as zero tax rate as far as corporate taxation is concerned was zero tax rate is a very high bog oh and some would look to a you member at least for the moment no written as being don't know now you know member state is a tax even if you look at those criteria then you've got to examine that as. the objective because most british crown dependency with a zero percent you're talking about something different i'm talking about you if you talk about the u.k. country you know well the u.k. is