i wanted to get in there and have a dialogue with dahli, andlicaten stein and picasso and just be part of this dialogue. that's what is really exciting and rewarding. i don't think things are that pig -- >> you don't think you're that big? >> i think i have a program as an artist. >> rose: you just cited the fact you sold the highest price. i sooipted the fact you have a retrospective in an entire museum. that by any artist's imagination is huge. >> you know, yes. i mean, it's a tremendous platform, but at the same time, i want to do something. i mean, i really want to do something. >> rose: it's not about being huge. it's about doing something. >> yeah, it's about becoming. i really want to make my work-- i want to make work that really can affect the lives of people. i really believe in mobility. i made bodies of work on mobility. i believe in enlightenment. i hope the viewer comes across my work and it stimulated, stimulated in whatever manner, you know, eric candle, our friend. >> rose: right. >> speaks about the beholder's share. so they can come. they can look at a work, and i ca