pierc pearce can spk to that? >> is the question what happens when two agencies have simultaneous jurisdiction? >> yes, and do we interview witnesses, like, twice over or look at an hr report and how does that play out? i'm sure it's fact-specific but in general terms, but if you could describe to us how the interplay is between the two agencies, that would be very helpful and given it could be a very sensitive and important topic for that and do we always conduct our own investigation? do we based our findings only on the hr investigation? if you could give us a sense that would be helpful. >> in practise, i would say it's pretty uncommon for a complaint of retaliation to belong both to the ethic's commission and to another city agency and most often, it's the case that there is some underlying complaint that some other agency will have investigated. that's the first element of protected activity. whether the city attorney's office or the whistleblower program or the complainant's own department has conducted an