that also we start to collaborate in one of the first rooms of the exhibition is dedicated to pierre bollom cameroon, who had this tradition, a militant tradition, to treat the spiders as a source of wisdom, as an oracle. and when the village have some questions, there is a set of cards which are leaves which are carried and then they ask the spider, and the spider will come up, shuffle the cards, and that will be interpreted. and this is kind of a... you know, for india, the cows are holies. and this means there are very different ways of how the world somehow... yeah, there aren't many societies where spiders are holy or sacred, or regarded as oracles. but i know you've brought your latest exhibition to london, to the serpentine gallery, and i know that you'll try to convince people that, through the spider's web, they can also think about musicality, they can think about communication. absolutely. it seems there's no end to the way you, as an artist, see potential in the spider and its web. yeah. no, no, absolutely. we have, for many years, together with other scientists, friends and di