cms is practicing medicine today and we gave the example of the virtual colonoscopy or the use of a pigeon, so let's vote, we either one the government to ration care or we don't because that is what this vote is about, rationing care and the government stepping between a patient and their position. >> there's a fundamental disagreement. we have offered a counter offer it allows exactly the middle ground you're looking for. i think senator coburn made a very good point yesterday that physicians and providers ought to have access to as much information about making those very personalized decisions and providing the best quality of health care for their patients. we are looking at is of course information coming out of institutes of medicine from various disciplines

imagine the passenger pigeon. voting goes on. you have to go to the bahamas to see them. roosevelt wanted to save all these. he felt that added to the charm of american life. that in many ways he looked up with frederick jackson turner frontier ideas and believed what made the american what was was the wilderness areas. he felt we would lose our character if we lost it. when did you write the first chapter? >> i started writing my prologue four years ago on pelican island in florida and how we started saving wild florida. >> that would have been in 2005? >> even before that. even before i wrote about it i'd been collecting this in my files and going to these places since the 1990's. >> you wrote the prologues there at pelican island? >> i did. i visited paul, works for fish and wildlife, who took me on the boats. one of the unique things with u.s. fish and wildlife is when i would visit places they were so excited i was interested in the history of that national wildlife refuge that they would take me to see things. people took me to watch sea turtles. i went at night wit

i had not been was pine noknow, a cabin in virginia that's where roosevelt saw the last passenger pigeon. it is extinct now. roosevelt wrote the last observation of one in the wild. this shows the rustic man in him who was most comfortable in nature. people don't want to think of is conservation as a policy as much as a passion. the foresight he had, that we could not to deforest ourselves, that we had to keep rivers protected, that animals had to have habitat. because he was influenced so much aidala and, he believed that to leave the species any kind -- to losbecause he was so influenced by charles garmin, he believed losing even one species was a tragedy -- influenced by charles darwin. it was not just romance for him. he was a scientist. he got a dramatic excitement from the wild, from seeing the species in the wild. >> at the national conservation training center, this place is paid for by the taxpayer. do they know about it? >> that is one of the reasons i wanted you to come. they don't. historian mark madison, a historian, there's a great archive year on looking at the oregon coas

well, he looked at the estate and realized he didn't have that much money and said i'm sorry but pigeons are not meant for sparrows. and daughters of land magnets are not meant for the common so kosciuszko majority loper with her. unfortunately, he was captured and he pulled out his sword and was about to fight off the lord and his men and he realized this is the father of the woman i am in love with so he put the sport back into the sheet and they beat him up, knocked him unconscious and took the daughter away. now kosciuszko had to run away because the father decided he is going to try and prosecute him for abducting his daughter. so kosciuszko left and went to paris where he learned about the american revolution and first heard about the battles of lexington and concord, so there he set sail for america. and after crossing the atlantic and hurricane season where his boat was shipwrecked and the caribbean and he had to swim to shore with a mass because the boat fell apart and eventually he made his way to philadelphia and when he got to philadelphia he went and introduced himself to th

i mentioned the passenger pigeon. flamingos gone from america. you have to go to bahamas to save them. roosevelt wanted to save them because he felt that added to the charm of american life that in many ways he hooked up with frederick jackson turner's frontier thesis and believed what made american was space and wilderness and that as soon as we lost that, we would lose our american character. >> go back to doug brinkley for a moment. this book, when did you start writing it? when did you write the first chapter? >> boy, i started writing my pro log about four years ago on pelican island, florida, and about how he started saving wild florida -- >> that would have been in 2005? >> yeah, even before that. i started actually writing, but i have been collecting on this for my files and going to these places since the 1990's. >> so you wrote the prologue there on pelican island? >> i did. i visited with a guy that works for u.s. fish and wild life that took me on the boat. one of the neat things with u.s. efficient and wildlife, when i visit places,