spiritual fulfillment would detach himself from this world and give up his family and go on a pill -- pilgramage, and you have to work in this world as a way to achieve spiritual fulfillment. he did that strange costume change and became the gandhi we picture, having been a well attired suited british style lawyer. and he went to traditional places for spiritual fulfillment and started a movement. tavis: at what age would you suggest that gandhi that is in full acknowledge of his purpose. he starts at south africa and goes back india, but at what age in the thrust of? >> i say he makes this transformation in his life in his late 30's. 37 or 38. and the key moment comes in 1913 when he would have been 44. so late 30's and early 40s. tavis: the reason i ask that, that's to be sure a journey and evolution. king by contrast is dead by 39. he's a nobel lawyer and starts leading the montgomery boycott at 26. and dispurgement on gandhi, but gandhi who king wants to emul e emulate. >> gandhi doesn't have models to emulate on the path he's set out. that's one answer. i had an interesting discussion with

some went on their knees as in a pilgramage. today people that are not religious say the works move them. many criticized the work saying it was too realistic and detailed. his response, the spirit is in the detail and in the truth. heather sells, cbn news. >> phenomenal. you can view a fum number of his works at cwnews.org. >>> a sculpture of jesus called lam of god has been displayed all over the country at easter time. the story of the artist behind his, tim branson explains. >> brenda angel ever had an art class. yet she created the stunning 16-foot statute of the crucifixion of jesus. the idea came to her in a dream when she was in college. >> i was there watching him being crucified and i heard i want you to sculpt what i just showed you. i woke up. i had an urgency. i need clay in my hands now. >> she asked a professor for helped. >> he say you can't take it home. i will not help you build an armature. he laughed at me. he said you will not be able to do this. >> despite her lack of training, she pressed on, began with th