the pilot is simply not about collecting data the pilot involves people being picked up and taken to work. and so, you know, you can say rope what you said until your blue in the face it doesn't change the reality of 2 hundred stops where people are being picked up and dropped off at work. it doesn't change the reality >> well, the picking up people and dropping off people is not a situation particularly in a urban std that's an unusual circumstances that results in impacts under sequa. we're looking at this as a defined 18 month data gathering effort that was the project that was proposed to us for environmental review any further long term effort be it a policy or a physical changes at the bus stop over and over designation or lack thereof that is proposed as a permanent measure is subject to its own environmental review we'll consider the issues that are appropriate within that environmental review context >> okay. you heard from the mta director that, in fact, there maybe new stops that are currently not being used as stops new locations does that change our analysis in any way?

the work that we've done and this pilot that's been approved by our board was informed by the department of transportation authority their board adapted in 2011 which called open sfmta to do regulation of the shuttle sector. i'm not going to reiterate the conflicts that we ail know are take place on the streets under the current existing conditions only to say that counterpart have unloading and loading in the city and half are in muni but also i mentioned in the question and answer section conflicts are not hatch everywhere that there are southern kinds of stops with few identified conflicts. the shuttle sector also delivers benefits ic f international our revokable transportation agency conducted a survey of shuttle riding to identify their finding without the shuttle many shuttle persons would ride alone and to get to the shuttles which of them have gotten rid of the cars because of the access to the shuttles 43 miles are reduced because of the shilts and green house gases a reduced and from any cf we have a representative hereafter my presentation they can answer questions. we used t

or the co-pilot. the instruments and manipulations made. >> we see it edging more and more toward taking the privacy of the pilots. we are doing our job up there and i'd rather focus on my job than what people are seeing. >> he says it higher priority than pilot privacy. >> i hope we won't wait until we have a similar incident involving united states airline and united states citizens to take the action necessary to provide for the safety and security of the traveling public. >> stephanie elam, cnn. >> i want to bring back my team experts. jim tillman a retired american airlines pilot, former adviser to the u.k. ministry of defense, a military pilot and tactical instruction and a 777 captain. jim, to you first. many people have been surprised there are no cameras in the cockpit already. should they be mandatory moving forward? >> no. i say that because i think to begin with the airline pilot is a member of a profession that is scrutinized more carefully and completely than any other profession on the

we're planning on the before the pilot begin collecting data to compare to the final outcome of the pilot and anticipating the pilots 4 to 6 weeks. we're going to design that as we move further along with the metric and finally analyzing the pilot data for or against operations. so this is sort of an overall timeline phase one is complete and twaes phase two is anticipated to run through the summer and one of the benchmarks is thriving of the warriors project they're anticipating august right now. so in phase two again, we're looking at the two pieces the longer bar is the sf they're doing is an in debt regional network to understand how the big picture is going to be causing demand we noetd need to meet and below the pilots the red line developing the pilots and implement that and be done with that with that, we would love to take questions. if peter and diane want to come up. nope. okay >> do we have any public comment if so. corrin woods >> hi, corrin woods i actually service or serve on the arena cac that i've been involved in the transportation assessment. when we start we said oh, o

the pilot approach helps us to act now and builds on the information we have provided and test out on approach why we gather for information to include the improvement costs are. i don't have to go through what the pilot entails it addresses the operating guidelines and compliance with the c puc and address the detail and congestion and will address the challenges with identification the permit fee will include fund for overcame pcos and help with the enforcement if you have any questions, i'll be happy to answer them and as i address the question from supervisor cowen what will be evaluated what improvement is needed and the actual transportation costs and needs. all of this is intent to allow us to act now and get the information we need for a longer-term solution and any longer-term solution will need for reviewed by the planning department if this is upheld the sfmta will concrete our pilot in july will continue to operate without permits they would not be permitting a number of locations and stops we'll continue to address the solutions and not being able to address the pcos thro

okay >> we are going talking about a pilot program with 2 hundred stops. i think that's significant with there references to correction e t that's important to put things into prospective with boarding 3 thousand bus stops. so a question for ms. jones be there were a number of reports submitted by the appellants expert reports and one of them was by someone rendering an expert opinion about air quality have you reviewed that report >> thank you scott wiener yes, i've reviewed the report and our in house air quality expert our decision is recognized recreationally and state wide when it comes to air quality we have expertise. this report had a number of assumptions that were built in that appeared to lead to conclusions that did not entirely accurately represent the impact of shuttles the city uses a model for the air quality analysis that takes air quality into account and the screen analysis in this report. we presented new screening data as a full model analysis to our own work but it was really a different approach to analyze. ours is done with the appr

was it indeed the pilot or was it the co pilot who was speaking? those are all things they still need to get to the bottom of, if they haven't already, wolf. >> are they explaining why they're not releasing that audiotape? >> well, you know, wolf, they keep on with the same line, which is this investigation is a private investigation. they did release this transcript to the family members. not holding my breath right now that we, meaning the media, will get ahold of those audiotapes, though. >> rene marsh, thanks very much. what is does the release of the transcript say about the investigation into the plane's disappearance? let's bring in our panel of experts, joining us, mark weise, cnn aviation analyst, former 777 pilot for american airlines. peter goelz is a cnn aviation analyst and former ntsb managing director. tom fuentes is our cnn law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. mark, does anything jump out at you? you have read this transcript. you're a seasoned pilot. what does it say to you, if anything? >> well, as rene w

gathering information effort but a pilot as a permanent project. and so it was not asked her for a grace class 6. and second as the court determined there was a piece male and female issue involved the planning department was found to have split up related actions under separate environmental refunds there are there was a general rule exclusion for the entire framework and each bicyclist project was given another category there was a different action involved. the third issue was the court found physical changes for the bicycle plan specifically were the physical impacts of those were not fully analyzed there's differences >> the final question supervisor campos wagons focused on the lack of enforcement can you respond to the argument that the appellant have laid out we shouldn't be comparison those regulations because of the fact it alleging involves a lack of enforcement. >> what i can say sequa makes it laser clear that you look at the existing physical conditions whatever they might be and whatever contribute to and case law around the issue al

many don't want to run illegal pilot shuttles. they have reducing the number of operators and increase the number of buses, operators and air quality risk. this is not merely maintaining the status quo ante, this will result in increase in the impact we are currently seeing from the illegal program. thank you. i will be happy to answer any questions. >> thank you. i think a number of us are trying to understand what happens if we would support you on this appeal. i understand your argument is that with commuter shuttles and the program as proposed we would see more traffic accidents and more pollution and more congestion. and we learned from the mta that if shuttles in san francisco are removed, 50 percent of those that don't have cars would get cars, 35,000 car trips a day, 11,000 tons of greenhouse gas emissions. can you help us understand the continue -- contradictions in the argument? >> most than half said they would drive alone if the shuttles were discontinue. >> half said they would drive alone. >> 49 percent said they wou

pilots. we don't know more than that, but we certainly can make some very intelligent analysis of where this investigation is focusing right now. carol. >> i understand family members met with malaysian investigators, australian investigators. tell us more about that, nic. >> reporter: yeah, this is something that the family members have withbeen waiting ag time to get. many came from beijing to malaysia. they got a high-level delegation meeting today. they were told they would be given data, they would be shown information that's been collected, have it explained to them. they were told that this was complex information. they were able to ask questions. the head of civil aviation -- we have to stress this is a closed door meeting. the head of civil aviation said the families were able to ask all the questions they wanted. well, guess what. when we talked to the families they said, yes, this was better. yes, there was progress. yes, we were able to ask some questions but the families still ha

have the pilot. as what we initiate the pilot if he find some assumptions were not correct we'll adjust our costs according. having important pcos at more locations will cost more not bringing money to the city we can't generate money for the city but to take a reasonable stimulate of what we thought would cost us to manage the program >> why did it not mean we have pcos throughout the city to look at the program. >> this is our best estimate to manage the program. >> what would the labor cover how many pcos and how often? so what is $496,000 cover >> the labor that's involved for improvement we asked our enforcement tomato tame what would it take to enforce the program and they give us an estimate and i admit i don't recall the numbers the enforcement officers but they're limited by the number of enforcement officers they have. we can't hover new officers for a 18 month grant >> why. >> because we're challenged to hire i believe we have a staff log i'll defer to the direct. >> i'll stop i'll say tha

so we have the pilot flying and the pilot not flying.it would be the pilot not flying. >> the person not at the controls would be the one communicating on the radio. >> that's right. >> no way to figure out who that is. >> well, malaysian investigators initially said it was the co-pilot that uttered those last words. now, they say they are not sure. it seems to me that would be pretty easy to determine. >> yeah. if you read or if you listen to the control tapes, you could just tell by the voice. >> i would assume they have this recorded somewhere and someone could easily listen and discern. there were a couple of times that the transmission was reported as garbled, whether they were hearing it absolutely clear,i can't say. it should be something that somebody with an analysis could determine. >> so many questions we can't answer. we are sorry about that. thanks for helping us out, mart martin savidge, mitchell casado. >>> the australian ship, "ocean shield" is chugging towards the search area with the ping detector. we have less than thr

retired american airlines pilot. les abend, aviation analyst and triple seven pilot and aviation attorney arthur rosenberg and geoffrey thomas editor in chief of airlineratings.com. let's go to geoffrey first. what did you make of the interview? did the prime minister have a good explanation of how they acted in the immediate after math of the disappearance? >> first of all, great interview that richard was able to get. the malaysian prime minister has given us more clarity but it's not crystal clear. some of the answers were still left question marks. as far as the way they reacted afterwards he did concede they didn't handle it as well as they could but at the same time he does say, which is true, this disappearance is unprecedented and many, many countries would have been challenged by it. certainly we have more clarity from them about what is going to happen in the next week or so. >> one of the most important pieces of the interview, i thought, is the prime minister saying that military radar tracked an aircraft

the issue is the pilot program. i wish that was what we are voting on today because there is a ton of things we would like to see to make that pilot program stronger and i think even outlined in the discussion today there wasn't enough public participation in the process of developing this pilot. i think we could have done a lot more on restricting the type of streets that these shuttle buses were allowed on and restricting the type of about us stops and addressing a bla report to finding a parking lot where the shuttle buses can congregate. i think this lacks some leadership. that's why people are unhappy as to this issue before us and other people discussing the enforcement issue that until november mta wasn't enforcing shuttle buses stopping in the red zone meanwhile we ticket everybody else. i don't want just say individuals but even ups trucks and a ton of different large vehicles that also get ticketed on a regular basis. i heard some grumbling as to why they get all of these tickets and a certain class of lar

and takes pilot reports of sighting. >> only 25% of pilots will make a report of something they can'tdentify. we've identifieded almost 100 cases worldwide where during a close encounter with the phenomenon whatever it is. some part of the aircraft aviation system goes haywire. >> when we were developing the stealth bomber, i always knew that was going on. they'd seen it. >> there's a residual of 20% or 30% of the total reports that just can't be explained in some natural way. >>> and some of those cases are strange indeed. >> i have cases where the phenomenon comes down and hovers over the runway and blocks the landing traffic so that the tower instructs the plane to do a go around or go to an alternate. i have reason to believe that our air force and space command have been collecting sinced data of anomalies going on that they're not telling us about. >>> that's it for this week's second look. i'm frank somerville. we see you again next week. >>> hi, everybody. i'm beth troutman. you guessed it, it's time for great videos, "right this minute." a caver is stressing out after getting

the egyptair pilot, the silk air pilots from singapore. were there indications in advance that either of these pilots -- you investigated the egyptair disaster -- that they are pilot was showing signs of craziness if you will that would have led them to do this? >> with each affair we had indications there were problems with the co-pilot prior to the flight. they probably never should have ledlet him in the cockpit. with silk air it wasn't until a week or ten days after the accident we were able to start piecing together. there were suspicions but it wasn't until a week or ten days that the ntsb started to have a real picture that there could have been a problem. >> and it was the silk pilot who took out a million-dollar life insurance policy. >> yeah. >> something like that. stand by. we'll continue to investigate. up next, is the u.s. doing enough in the hunt for flight 370? the defense secretary chuck hagel is getting ready to meet with his malaysian counterpart. what more can he offer? and australia has certainly been bearing the brunt

exemption determination - san francisco municipal transportation agency's commuter shuttle policy and pilot program] motion reversing the determination by the planning department that the san francisco municipal transportation agency's commuter shuttle policy and pilot program is exempt from item 8. item 21: [reversing the exemption determination - san francisco municipal transportation agency's commuter shuttle policy and pilot program] motion reversing the determination by the planning department that the san francisco municipal transportation agency's commuter shuttle policy and pilot program is exempt from environmental review. will 8123492 >> roll call please? >> item 8, supervisor chiu cohn, tang, wiener, yee, avalos, breed? campos, there are 9 ayes. 1 no. >> the ordinance is passed. item 9. city clerk: item 9: 140238: [adopting a fixed two-year budget - airport, port, public utilities commission, library, child support services, and employees' retirement system] sponsors: mayor; farrell resolution adopting a fixed two-year budgetary cycle for the airport, the port, the public utiliti

. >> should one pilot need to exit, a senior steward would have to be with another pilot.t them from jeopardizing the plane and those on board. let's walk through this in a 777 simulator outside of toronto. it seems easy enough. we use the buddy system for a lot of things. might this cause a problem for the pilots? >> malaysian airlines is behind the curve on this. a lot of domestic and international airlines are practicing this for sometime. the fact that this is implementing in light of what happened with flight 370. they know what the regimen is like. you change out the pilot. how does it work? >> it's simple. we call the charts to let them know. everything is communication. she or he comes up. they sit down with the other pilot. >> they are there to keep an eye on them. >> it's just the procedure to make sure that it's all for safety. >> it doesn't have to be you don't trust the pilot or copilot. they want to make sure they don't suffer an illness while the other pilot is away and before they can get back in some kind of trouble. it's not always keeping an eye on someb

and the plane's pilot and co pilot are still under investigation. and now sources tell cnn that malaysia airlines is beefing up its rules for who can be in the cockpit and who can't be in there alone. >>> also ahead, an 8.2 magnitude earthquake rocks chile. almost as powerful as the scale gets. it looks like disaster was averted this time. but experts say this wasn't even the big one. >>> and the ceo of gm back on the hot seat today. senators grilling mary barra. they want to know why it took gm ten years to issue a recall for a defect that has killed at least 13 people. all of this as relatives wonder if they will ever see a dime. >>> hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield. it is wednesday, april the 2nd. and welcome to "legal view." 26 days ago, malaysian flight 370 disappeared. 26 days ago, hundreds of families were rocked to their core. for 26 days, a whole world has wondered, what happened to the 239 souls on board. here is the very latest of what we know today. first, malaysia air is tightening cockpit security. from now on, pilots and first o

speculative too in assuming there won't be further environmental impacts for a classic exemption for a pilot program. >> sequa says you can't assume there's impacts based on speculation you need to support our conclusion so there's got to be demonstrative prove or foreseeable impacts and sequa has a say over a direct impact that's directly connected to something proposed by the project. >> so when issuing a class 6 exemption we're not required to insure there isn't going to be a greatest impact from the pillow program. >> we're required to insure there are not unusual circumstances the whole idea of a categorical is on the whole would not be exterminated did expectation is no that the won't result in significant books. there are situations for unusual circumstances that render it with sufficient impacts. in the case of this project we're talking about a passenger vehicles operating in an ushering setting it's not a unusual circumstances around the activity >> so to ask the question we should have to identify it florida there are unusual circumstances but we don't have a guarantee of a greate

if they think this is a pilot that is going to end in 2 weeks or a year, they may not want to get involved now. we want to make it available in the market ofn terms of what's permissible. i'm open to that if you would like to see that happen. >> supervisor yee? >>supervisor norman yee: i want to thank you for that offer. my main concern is for the project to have a real check in to see what is we are having. that's why when i say 50, depending on the motivations of individuals who are in this situation. it could happen in 2 months or it may not happen for 10 years in terms of people wanting to take advantage of this legislation. if supervisor chiu can do check ins, i'm willing to withdraw my amendment. >> supervisors campos? >>supervisor david campos: thank you. it's been a very interesting discussion. i want to thank supervisor chiu and yee for all the work gone into this. i do support this legislation. let me say that i support it primarily because i have heard from a number of tenant advocates who believe that this legislation could be used as a tool thigh it makes sense to see that hap

p the issue is not about the merits of pilot program itself. a little bit about existing conditions and the proposed project today, there 3 hundred shuttle buses and mta estimates 25 thousand muni ridership. and intercity riders are 80 percent of the total and regional are 20 percent they're using white zones and currently they're not permitted to us the bus zones. the pilot program is to explore the shared use of muni stops not faxing others stops. the pilot program will operate as follows: sfmta will solicit accident applications and establish operational requirements and track compliance my effect in essence of the shared stop system and use that information to shape a proposal for long term managed if it's desired that long term program will be subject to its own environmental review. the process of denying a project is an important and complex one for an agency. sometimes real world experimental informational garter is part of that process and sequa provides a way to do on ground work without getting caught to do an endless review to defin

noun the pears this is an anecdoteal story this pilot study is designed to mitigate those and will regulate the operators and give the public the signages when they're they can when the rourlz are breaking the law they can the as i understand or sanctioned >> hello. thank you for your time andrew i live in district 2. i've been a retained of the city for about 10 years and riding the shuttles for the last 2 1/2. they've definitely allowed me to not drive everyday. 90 millions there and back to my job so, please as a resident let this program go forward all the parties want to work with the city and will allow people to live together. i'm not a new arriveal i'm not not a techie i still live in san francisco accident city prides itself on doing things for the assignment and taking cars off the rod i can only speak about my own experience. i came down her today to express myself and figure out where we can improve the program and that's by doing the pilot program >> next speaker >> first name freddie i want to say thank you to president chiu, you know, a lot of times we try to change and macro

he's 77 pilot as well.en you look at this which senator casey and others were proposing, is there any reason why these secondary security barriers should not be installed in all commercial jets? >> absolutely not. this was something that should have really been considered right after 9/11. i think we were thinking in different directions at that particular time so we really as pilots endorsed the flight -- the federal flight officer program, federal flight deck officer program, and rather than thinking of secondary barriers, but it's still part of the program or at least something that we would like to have installed. there's no reason why it can't be. it's going to require some modifications of airplanes, but it's really, really something that should be there because the cockpit is most vulnerable when that door opens and we don't always have ffdos on board or air marshals. >> and, miles, and the senator talked a little bit about this, the airline opposition to this. law enforcement is in favor of it. pilo

but just a casual handoff i'm guessing. >> wasn't he the pilot in charge of pilot training at the airlineetting an example. >> you're right. >> that you would want to do everything perfectly? >> it was not a standard response. you're supposed to say the frequency. there is no question about it. but i don't know, arthur. you might be taking ate little too far. i don't know. >> at a critical time in this flight, all these anomalies suddenly appear. i think they stand for an important facts in a sequence of events which lead us to an inescapable conclusion which is my opinion and has yet to be established. >> richard, we were talking with miles earlier, which is now, again, we don't know, because we don't know if the plane is even there that we're looking for, though the signs point to it would be. if you take this event happening and eight hours later a plane that may be intact, which is very difficult to do without a human, when you put those together, do you think that's fair to do? >> you're cheerleading now. >> no, i'm saying if these two things are the case, which at this point it migh

let's discuss now, michael, aviation analyst, retired royal air force pilot. les obben, 77 pilot. rick gillespie, international group of historic aircraft recovery. mary schiavo, former transportation department inspector general. also joining us in a little bit will be jeffrey thomas, ceo of airlinesratings.com. a statement a short time ago saying chinese reports can no be verified. what do you make of that -- mike, i want to look at, as we talk about that, can you put that map up? because the map shows where they found supposedly this pulse signal. it shows the planned search area and the previous search area. there's no overlap. >> no, there isn't. i think the point you made from the -- >> this new map was just released. go ahead. >> yeah. cannot be verified at this point. we need to be cautious art looking too much into what that statement actually means and coming to a conclusion of whether the air chief marshal is going to go and corroborate that or just going to go and leave it. i think that's a dangerous assumption to make. what has happened is that this information has pu

and 24/7 and there are indeed significant impacts of this pilot project. so to have the planning department and mta declare that there are none not only goes against my lived experience as a resident, but feels like a slap in the case considering the very clear reality of the rapid displacement occurring near the shuttle stops. i know a little bit about displacement too from my work at the housing rights for san francisco. the project which allows for the continuance of this illegal use of muni stop by these shuttles will continue the problem of the rampid displacement and you will hear from the anti-eviction mapping project about that. never mind my experience as a resident of the high traffic google bus zone. and never mind public sentiment which you will hear represented today and clearly hold the buses cause teacher's -- harm to our community. what we are here today talk about is the fair argument for the reasonable possibility that there are significant impacts. and we have provided -- >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> thank you. i'm a san fran

pilots start striking.his affects 425,000 passengers and could cost the airline more than 30 million euros. let's bring in john strickland. good morning. we are ending up with the worst strike in lufthansa's history. >> we have a backdrop that the years agobout three introduced a major campaign of cost-cutting. this is essential to legacy carriers like lufthansa. go through aiag similar scheme. the difference in success has been dramatic between the european carriers. ieg has had the toughest management style. they have had some strikes. now their financial record is looking much more solid. lufthansa is profitable but it has a long way to go. >> what they were saying is that it has an impact of 10 million a day. does this have a longer-term impact? what i two weeks from now decide to book someone else because i concerned about lufthansa strikes? >> i certain -- i think certainly in the medium term, if they like the airline they will come back to it. but lufthansa has had over 50 strikes since 2008. it was

all these five pilots we're told are familiar with the pilot and the co-pilot aboard that night.pilot's voice they could hear. we're also told there was no third voice in the cockpit. that there was no sound of disturbance. that nothing was out of the ordinary, that there was no sound of distress coming from the cockpit. two sources here, senior malaysian government official, and another source involved in the investigation both telling us this very important detail for investigators. chris? >> important detail, nic robertson, thank you for bringing it to us. let's get more perspective on why it's so important and these other big developments and what it means for the overall progress here. we have david soucie, "new day" family and cnn family as a safety analyst and the author of "why planes crash," former faa inspector. and ms. mary schiavo, cnn aviation analyst, former inspector general of the department of transportation, also an attorney who represents victims and families after airm d airplane disasters. and creator of pasteurization. is that not true, mary? tell me, mary,

the first is pilot's pay. the transitional arrangement for pilots who want to retire earlier. and there is the corporate pensions. the pilots are striking over the issue. this leaves open the possibility that there could be industrial action related to the other two. they have another grievance. lufthansa reinstated its dividend. no dividend in 2014. luke donald has said any money saved from the 1.5 billion program -- its expense program -- would go to new aircraft. now they are complaining it is going to investors and financial markets. . unders an airline pressure from its pilots. short-haul and long-haul. >> david, thank you very much. reporting from lufthansa. five people are dead and hundreds are -- were evacuated after an 8.2 magnitude earthquake rocked northern chile. here's the latest from santiago in chile. ofnt a picture if you could any disruption we are seen as a result of this. where you are in the capital and also further north closer to the epicenter. the series of aftershocks that keep coming.

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the pilot could flip that piece of metal.ilot and maybe the people in the back should be able to take over. it could be something as innocent as a pilot having a heart attack after having locked himself in. >> maybe you take away the dead bolt. >> so many things that could come into play. i find it interesting that the flight attendant stands with the cart. what good will that cart do but maybe a few seconds. we appreciate it. finding wreckage from flight 377 depends not only on where it crashed but also how it hit the water. gary tuckman explains. >> not a speck of wreckage has been found from malaysian airlines flight 370. is it possible that all the wreckage sank? >> the chances of no debris? very, very remote. >> the amount of debris on top of the water would vary based on the scenario of how it when down. for example, if it went down in a steep dive at high seas. >> the wings were dorn off. large parts were torn apart. the debris field was fairly scattered and weeks later, parts and pieces and personal effects were still

a pilot leaving his phone on by accident? or would no pilot make that mistake?couple months ago we mad to completely turn them off. now we can leave them on but you have to have them in airplane mode. >> it could be a mistake. we all make mistakes so it's possible. but unlikely. these are professionals. they know better than to keep their phone on. >> i think mitchell and i discussed that the fact that that phone came on or was left on is certainly goes against all the training and the pilot and could indicate that in some way somebody on that aircraft was trying to communicate but that's as far as you can go with it. >> we will figure that out as the investigation continues. straight ahead we will talk about the oil slick found near the search area and what it could mean in the hunt. plus she is a white spremist opening fire on jewish centers and we now know his victims were christians. we will talk abhis past and ties to hate groups straight ahead. stay with us. oh! the name your price tool! you tell them how much you want to pay, and they help you find a poli

in that particular instance, there was no warning given to the pilots or by the pilots to traffic controlicom simply stopped. they passed the word on from air traffic control to their authorities and fighter jets were scrambled. they observed the aircraft basically crash as the engines ran out of fuel. the ultimate determination was there was a decompression. they never determined whether it was an explosive decompression all at once or an insidious decompression that essentially put the people to sleep. we know it continued to fly to the dakotas where it ultimately crashed. i suppose one could draw parallels to this talk situation. >> let me break that up a little further, just in the notion that when these people took off, this was a redeye flight. we all know in a redeye flight one of the first things you do is bed down and get ready to go to sleep. colonel kay, is it possible a decompression called have happened with no one on board knowing, no distress call and no need for the oxygen and oxygen doesn't deploy until you're quigt hi quite high up in these particular airplanes. is it po

so at that point had the pilot and co-pilot switched in terms of who was actually flying? or is the co-pilot still in the cockpit? and clearly there was no -- they said there were no signs of distress, problems, any hints of stress in the pilot's voice from captains and other pilots who flew with the captain at malaysia airline. so at least up to that point, things are normal, and maybe the pilot had switched to the pilot not flying position. but it still sounds just completely benign. >> we do not know that. we do not know when and if they switched. they do say that they heard no sign of a third person in the cockpit, jeff. and they also say there was no sign of duress in his voice. we're taking their word for it there. >> but how could they have thought for so many weeks that it was one guy? then all of a sudden they decide it's the other guy? i mean, is it that complicated to figure out who's talking? and if it is that complicated and hard to figure out who's talking, are they right now, or were they right before? so it's hard to really make sense of what we should assu

now they have pilots together and got them to confirm, pilots who knew both the pilot and co-pilot, and said it was the phrase as we know now, good night, malaysian flight 370. and that is pretty standard information to be used when you're exiting one area of radar and going into another. but at all points, the confusion we're getting, who said what, who did what? and when, which is all crucial information to the investigation. >> it certainly is, michael holmes, we'll continue to stay tuned there in case we get more information on the final ping, and efforts to analyze the latest water signal. the tone, as you note, notably cautious, for their consistent tone throughout this search, that is as michael mentioned the way that many -- or not the way many are characterizing malaysian officials, tonight, "ac360's" randi kaye has more. >> reporter: frustration with the malaysian government. >> we want an explanation for the delay. >> reporter: it was the satellite company. not the malaysian government which figured out the flight plan and provided vital information to narrow the search area.