pincus just a quick question. i know that you said that this was -- at&t is a very consumer friendly and fair arbitration system that has been said today. how long would it have taken the concepcion's to go through the process and get their 30 bucks that? >> could take a matter of months. >> a matter of months. >> much quicker than the judicial system. >> so, okay. so this would be a couple that would, for $30, go through a couple of months. >> all it takes senator is there is a form on the web site. you make a complaint. the record, because the economic disincentive for at&t, because it has to pay a very large bonus if the cases litigated and loses $10,000 minimum plus attorneys fees. >> no, no, no. if they say we will give you 30 bucks back they don't have to pay the 10,000. >> no, but if they refuse to do it. >> but if they refuse it and pay $10,000 they will get their $30 back. see exactly senator and that is why this is a perfect system the lower courts found in this very case. >> so they would get their 30.