"washington post," fact checkers have been handing out more pinocchio's at the gift shop.e sanders claim that he visited a facility in vermont, and knocked down hillary clinton's insinuation of the amount of vermont guns used in new york time -- new york. there is already a debunked claim on the show on monday that the sanders household has released tax returns for several years. there are plenty of documented, misleading statements from trump and the other republicans as well, but we can't list them, because the show is only an hour pinocchio's,lot is do any of these matter for 2016? checking.ve fact the most part, the major organizations do a good job. the problem, there is so much spin and effort made to knocked down, and so many pinocchios, and this is my criticism of the pinocchio-the stores -- wers, it becomes a foul instead of an infraction. john: they try to differentiate between a foul and an infraction. a lie about big thing, versus a little lie about a little thing. john: you could tell a smaller lie about an important thing politically be more consequential. an

mark: three-dimensional pinocchios.g up, we travel downtown where bernie sanders is holding a rock concert/rally, with a bunch of celebrities tonight. we will check down there after a word from our sponsors. ♪ ♪ mark: so from where we sit in the studio, you will see sanders holding a star-studded rally, including the band "vampire weekend," legend spike, and tim robbins, among many others. before those stars the stage, we're joined by a star reporter, who is in the -- are you in the park or outside it? reporter: i think we are technically in the park, a sidewalk behind the barriers that have been that up, where there are working on letting people in. mark: this is an important rally politically, barack obama did a huge rally there before the white house area how much does the sanders campaign think this is an the heart of the village, a symbolic event, or a run-of-the-mill rally? reporter: i think this is very symbolically important for the sanders campaign. it is one of three major rallies they have planned for the bor

. >>> "washington post" fact checkers have been handing out more pinocchios lately. on the democratic side, they called out bernie sanders claim that he visited a g plant in vermont. they knocked down hillary clinton's insinuation guns from vermont that are used in new york crimes, three pin neke cos. no kinder to jane sanders for repeating a debunked claim on this show on monday that the sanders household has released full tax returns for several years. plenty of well documented misleading statements from donald trump and his fellow republicans as well, but we can't list them, because the show is only an hour long. so mark, my question is, republican and democratic pinocchios, do they matter in 2016? >> i love fact checking. i think it's great. >> good for mark. >> tamerica. >> the problem is, there is so much spin, so much effort made to knock down and some pinocchios that it's hard to differentiate. this is my criticism. >> white noise. >> which is, you know, they give three to so many things, it's hard to say what really is a foul as opposed to an infraction. >>

we'll see what kind of backlash she gets from getting three pinocchios from the "washington post." i'm about to head into an event with bill clinton. she and secretary clinton have been criss-crossing the state, and she's heading into a rally this afternoon. >> she got three pinocchios when talking about guns from the "washington post," but there's also been missteps from bill clinton as of late. last night in came in an odd skit with hillary clinton and mayor bill de blasio. there seems to be a joke that fell flat, racially charged as many people are clarifying this morning. how is that impacting the clinton campaign today? >> reporter: well, it's creating yet another distraction, erica. that skit over the weekend with secretary clinton, mayor bill de blasio, they made a joke about cp time. they used it to describe politicians, but, of course, cp time can also be used to describe what is called quote, unquote, colored people time, a stereotype suggesting that people of color are late to things. they got some backlash for that. bill de blasio came out, of course, his wife, his kids

pinocchios they are misrepresenting my record. i'm not going to -- i feel sorry sometimes for the young people who believe this, they don't do their own research, and i'm glad that we can now point to independent analysis to say, no, it's just not true. >> hillary clinton did not expect that going into april into wisconsin she was going to have a bernie sanders problem, it seems like it's a significant one. >> she's ticked off. if you saw what happened with the blowup on that line. how did i have this happen. i have a huge organization, she finally is going at bernie sanders where the republicans are going at themselves. what do i have. 74 years old, became a democrat yesterday. and an economic program that's not feasible. we're promising free college to people. can you possibly tell me how you plan on giving this next generation everything for free? while not raising taxes, taking eight out of every ten dollars? she's finally picking at the weak parts of his candidacy. >> they don't want to hear that message. something like 80% o

they rated it, bill, three pinocchios.how sanders responded when jake asked him about it this morning. >> let the voters decide whether paid lobbyists who represent the fossil fuel industry, 43 of them, give maximum personal contributions to the clinton campaign and whether or not these same people are out in some cases bundling, trying to bring in even more money. i don't think that we are distorting reality. that's the simple reality. >> bill, i know you're a sanders supporter. is that a sufficient enough answer when "the washington post" says these are three examples where this has been exaggerated, and he said let the voter decide? >> first of all, i don't know what the confusion here is. this is a matter of public record. the campaigns report contributions. if you look as i did yesterday at the reports from the clinton campaign, they report in different categories. i can go through them. total of $4.5 million received from lobbyists or people that work for the fossil fuel industry, to the campaign or to the super pac

a pro kasich super pac started running this ad portraying ted cruz as pinocchio being strangled by his growing nose wrapping around his neck. went after cruz himself. >> the problem with senator cruz is he has no record. his record is shutting down the government and making everybody he works with upset. >> stephen, you know, this goes back to what i was discussing with reince priebus. gop headed for a train wreck in play? >> well, they could be. these conventions, as you said, there are a lot of options, a lot of hypotheticals and everything does get on the table. they write the rules for themselves. having said that, the most important thing going into this is that those areas where ted cruz and donald trump have common cause, say that rule 40-b to block out another candidate from being entered into the nomination, those are the areas where it's least likely you're going to see changes. kasich may be on the outside looking in when it comes to rule 40-b. >> that means he couldn't have his name placed in nomination for the first ballot? >> correct. that's correct. and then, you know, b

. >> three pinocchios. >> three pinocchios.ernie is relying on the "washington post's" earlier headlines, going to that conclusion. so i think that it just shows that these fact-checking pieces are opinion pieces in the guise of objective reporting, and the "post" is loving all of this drama. >> yeah, the "post" headline was misleading because she had merely declined to say when she thought he was unqualified or not. in an interview when she was pressed three times -- >> dodged the question. >> she dodged the question. >> after so many months of, you know, this high tone, i disagree with the secretary on the banks, you can sense that isn't this what tv wants, personal attacks? >> of course. and he said in the speech, i know the media wants us to do this. you know, he also is facing a kind of do-or-die situation in new york even though he's won eight of the last nine. a lot have been in red state caucuses. >> yeah. >> and he needs to try to beat her in her own home state. but what happened at -- i think msnbc in a town hall, he

. >> three pinocchios, yet bernie is relying on the "washington post" earl yeheadlines going to thatclusion. so i think that it just shows that these fact checking pieces are opinion pieces in the guise of objective reporting, and the post is loving all this drama. >> yeah, the post headline is misleading. she merely declined to say whether she thought he was qualified or not in an interview. she was pressed three times. >> she dodged the question. >> she dodged the question. >> after so many months of, you know, this high tone, i disagree with the secretary on the banks. you can sense that isn't this what tv really wants, personal attacks? >> of course it is. as a matter of fact, he even said in that speech, i know the media wants us to do this. well, you know, he also is facing a kind of do or die situation in new york even though he's won eight of the last nine. a lot of them have been in red state caucuses. and he needs to try to beat her in her own home state. but what happened on msnbc he said, yes, i think she's qualified. >> pushed into it. right. now because it's a new york

and they gave you three pinocchios, sir. >> well, let the voters decide whether paid lobbyists who representhe fossil fuel industry, 43 of them, give maximum personal contributions to the clinton campaign and whether or not these same people are out in some cases muddling, trying to bring in even more money. i don't think that we are distorting reality. that's the simple reality. >> but you've taken $50,000 from individuals who work for the oil and gas industry. why is it okay for you and not for her? >> because i take money in, and she takes money in from individuals. that's right, workers in an industry. nothing wrong with that. jake, that is very different from taking money from lobbyists, people who are working day and night in defense of that industry. and that has been a confusing point. workers, yes. we get money from workers in every industry in the country. so does clinton. but there is a difference between getting money from a worker and somebody whose job it is to represent that industry. i believe we've got to take on the fossil fuel industry. i think that their greed and their w

the interesting part is your newspaper fact checked this and gave bernie sanders three pinocchios sayingo, she hasn't taken money from the industry. so hillary clinton's campaign will say thank you for that. the only flip side of that is in the 2008 campaign, she did the same thing to then-senator barack obama. >> she took $308,000 from individuals. he took $54,000, and this is according to people who disclosed it if they give more than $200. you know, but both of them, they're getting, what, less than 3% of their money from these types of people. this just shows you how they're fighting on the margins over these little things. and yet it got under her skin. >> it got under her skin part is the important part because they understand the stakes. so you adapt in a campaign. where am i? what am i doing? listen to hillary clinton yesterday. bernie sanders, if you've been paying, remember was the independent senator from vermont. not a democrat. now he's running in the democratic primaries, and hillary clinton thinks democratic voters might want to think a little bit more about that. >> i'm a

"the washington post" gave that a three-pinocchio rating for that.s be very clear, this is a character attack. this is exactly what bernie sanders pledged to supporters he wouldn't do." and "bernie sanders, you can spend your day talking about the credibility gap, we'll be talking about the wage gap. happy equal payday." kasie hunt is in syracuse, new york, traveling with the sanders campaign. and kasie, before i will agree that somehow these are negative attacks, sanders has yet to attack her in paid television advertising, correct? >> reporter: that's right, chuck. he has an ad up that eludes to those speeches. it's very similar to the one that he had up in iowa with that goldman sachs logo. her name is never mentioned, but the tie-in is pretty clear. >> so where do they think, at this point, all of these polls, pretty consistent, that hillary clinton has a durable lead in new york. it's not -- and it doesn't look like sanders is going to get the win that he's going to need to reset the race. >> i think that's right, chuck. and i think you can sens

he's now calling on a super pac that backs him to take down an ad showing ted cruzs a pinocchio and thatlls him by trump's favorite name for him, lying ted. i caught up with the governor last night on his campaign bus and i asked him about another super pac ad, one targeting him. >> there's a new ad out by the trusted leadership pack, pro cruz pac. and one of the lines is, the john kasich playbook holding for a last second shot at blocking out the grass roots. what can you do in wisconsin to quiet some of the critics who say you can't get to 1237, you ought to get out of the race. >> because nobody is going to get to the number. we're going to have an own convention. and as the race moves to the east, i will do better. and beyond that i'm the only candidate who consistently beats hillary clinton in the fall. i'm also the candidate with the deep record of economic success and international experience. so hold on to your seat belt. we're going to a convention. it's going to be fun. >> i've been talk to a lot of anti-trump establishment type, whether they're in business, politics. a lot of

they gave you three pinocchios. can you explain, and how do you respond to that?-- they're looking at the big picture and saying the $300,000 comes from low-level employees, in the case of clinton, and they also say it is really a small percentage of the contributions overall that she is taken in and her campaign. what we say is, great, if it is a small contribution, if you don't really need it, then stopped taking any more of it. as far as lobbyists and employees, back in 2008, she criticized then candidate obama for taking money from the industry, challenging his assertion that it did not affect cheneye on the halliburton loophole bill, the energy bill of 2005. in 2008 and 2012, obama himself took no money from any registered lobbyists. and now we see clinton basically backsliding and taking money from lobbyists of all kinds. amy: "the washington post" also says greenpeace council of the money raised or contributed by lobbyists as oil and gas industry funds, but these lobbyists have many other clients besides the oil industry. >> let's take a step back. clinton

"the washington post" awarded three pinocchios to her assertion that the highest per capita number ofun crimes in new york come from vermont. the post called the data point misleading because of vermont's small population and said the number of crime guns in new york from vermont is so small that it could even be attributed to one or two bad actors. still, clinton's spokesman said let's be clear this is a character attack. this is exactly what bernie sanders pledged to his supporters that he wouldn't do. >>> breaking news this morning, senator jeff merkley of oregon has become the first and only u.s. senator to endorse his colleague, bernie sanders, for president. he endorsed him in a "new york times" on ed writing it is time to recommit ourselves to the vision of a country that measures our nation's success not at the boardroom table that had -- but at kitchen tables across america. bernie sanders stands for that america, so i stand with bernie sanders for president. senator merkley will join joe and mika on "morning joe" this morning. hillary clinton meanwhile has received the endor

. >> reporter: the "washington post's" fact checker calls it misleading and gave them a two pinocchio rating. the conflict comes when it is lumped together and averaged without taking into account actual hours worked. significant absences from the work force and men overwhelmingly pick the more dangerous fields with bigger paychecks. while nine of the ten least profitable are dominated by women. >> there are plenty of groups on the left who have double research. and their research has shown the same thing. when you control for any number of these variables, you have a much smaller wage gap. >> reporter: according to the jobs website which hosted hillary clinton today. that gap boils down to about a nickel. today president called on congress to act. >> i'm not here to say we should close the wage gap. i'm here to say we will close the wage gap. >> reporter: yet a report released by the labor department in 2009 said the raw wage gap should not be used as a basis to justify corrective action. indeed, there may be nothing to correct. the labor department report went on to say the differen

. >> reporter: the "washington post's" fact checker calls it misleading and gave them a two pinocchioating. the conflict comes when it is lumped together and averaged without taking into account actual hours worked. significant absences from the work force and men overwhelmingly pick the more dangerous fields with bigger paychecks. while nine of the ten least profitable are dominated by women. >> there are plenty of groups on the left who have double research. and their research has shown the same thing. when you control for any number of these variables, you have a much smaller wage gap. >> reporter: according to the jobs website which hosted hillary clinton today. that gap boils down to about a nickel. today president called on congress to act. >> i'm not here to say we should close the wage gap. i'm here to say we will close the wage gap. >> reporter: yet a report released by the labor department in 2009 said the raw wage gap should not be used as a basis to justify corrective action. indeed, there may be nothing to correct. the labor department report went on to say the difference

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industry now from those giving to a pac so the "washington post" gave charge by bernie sanders three pinocchiosthe bernie's grass roots organization versus hillary clinton corporate organization. that is why it is successful. >> if left wing politics you get taking money from a legal oil company as being horrible. another soundbite, senator ted cruz talking to msnbc about donald trump and this is the fall out of the trump remarks we talked about. listen. about abortion. >> because media is what media is today, any stupid, absurd remark made by donald trump becomes the story of week. >> are you suggesting that the media should not be focusing on the call to potentially jail women who have abortions? >> this is a standard refrain saying no, it should be talked about as we should talk about all of donald trump's position that the media are not serious. highway can you not cover that? >> you have to cover it. it is a substancive issue. it is not like they are covering something that is silly. in this case we can say that media is doing their job. this was a substantive statement he made. he retract

when, in fact, i think bernie sanders got a coveted three pinocchios from the "washington post" facthecker. when you start making those kinds of false charges, you lose sight of the real issues that democrats have to focus on if we're going to beat the republicans -- >> it's an appetizer. leave us there. >> i love appetizers. >> i'll get you the brooklyn bridge. >> some sorbet and bernie sanders and hillary clinton at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. thanks so much for coming. appreciate it, thanks so much. >>> in a short time from now, a big announcement coming -- very big announcement for trump's campaign manager. sources say the florida state attorney will not move forward with charges against cory lewandowski. how the reporter at the center of this case is reacting this morning. that's next. ♪ in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in buffalo, where the largest solar gigafactory in the western hemisphere w

i think that the super pac should have gone either farther with the whole pinocchio theme. mean cruz's father does kind of look like geppetto. >> you're right. >> take a look when you get home. he really does. >> and ted cruz is a little bit puppet-like. >> put that hat with the father and the suspenders. >> chris hahn? >> yes. what do you think of this ad? why are they stealing nicknames from trump? >> other than the nose, i like the ad. ted cruz has been the guy who i have been hoping for out of this primary until this week. i think now everybody wants donald trump on the left. yeah, but i think that kasich still thinks he's got to damage ted cruz to be in a better position going into the convention, and quite frankly i think the polls are going to put kasich in a better position going into the convention. it's going to be an open convention. anything can happen. kasich's going to come in with a bunch of delegates and he's going to probably wind up being the nominee. >> wow. ben, do you think the ad is right that cruz has -- apparently kasich is buying into this lyin' ted

the washington post that did the interview, big pinocchios there. they are not buying of the. the dnc says trump's latest irresponsible comments even serve to independent mine our economy. they are also talking about the comments he mentioned earlier about the economy. typically you don't see presidential front-runner talking down the markets or talking down the economy. >> saying there is a recession coming? >> that's right. >> jerry willis, thanks for doing the homework. >>> did you hear the about the amtrak train that crashed yet causing a dead loo derailment. there it is. what was a backhoe doing on the train track? >>> plus donald trump calling on the rnc to force john kasich out of the race. the ohio governor holding out hope for a brokered convention. my guess is he isn't going anywhere. what do you think? >> what mr. trump is saying has been said throughout our history. i don't know how this nominating process ends, but here's what i do know. the congress is going to be around no matter who is president. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity. and i'd like to... cut.

make these kinds of claims which now i think have been debunked, the "washington post" said three pinocchios. i'm just not going to -- i feel sorry sometimes for the young people who don't do their research. >> i don't think we are distorting reality. there is a difference between getting money from a worker and somebody whose job it is to represent that industry. >> so this hour sanders is holding a town hall in wisconsin and he'll finish the day in the liberal stronghold of madison which is expected to be strong for him. this is the final sprint to the finish here and candidates are all over the map. on the republican side cruz hitting green bay in hopes of firming up his lead. trump is making two stops here in the milwaukee area. let's start in milwaukee where donald trump is at a local diner, greeted customers and had breakfast despite being down in the polls he remains confident heading into tuesday's primary. >> feels to me like new hampshire. a lot of people thought i was going to lose new hampshire. a lot of people thought we were going to lose south carolina and we won in a landslid

one democrat pointed out that bernie sanders is person edging more pinocchio, is that he's learning delegates. the thing about, she's said, quote, unquote, that i'm unqualified was one of the things where he was fact checked as false. >> dickerson: she didn't actually say that. >> there have been other things that fact checked on lately that are permeating into the consciousness, people are realizing he doesn't always get his facts right. >> i'm conservative but want to defend the social list, a lot of cheap shots. when senator sanders says, we're going to put a cap on the size of the bank, it will be up to them to figure out how they meet that cap, it's legitimate answer. that's the way the cap works. just silly for people to say, they have to do? they have to do? >> i'm going to agree there. reading that inner is view, sanders clear idea of the kinds of policies you want to pursue. he knows that laws like dodd frank give the white house authority in terming how to pursue bank regulation. can't give you chapter and verse less important than fact that he does have broad sense of what his admi

that he's been making on her taking money from the fossil fuel industry, he got three pi noek o, pinocchios from "the washington post" on that. that's not the kind of campaign he said he was going to run. if he wants a debate about climate change, there's one candidate who got something done. but that's hillary clinton. >> i know. but she was in copenhagen with barack obama. but with it this nasty, how is the party going to come together? >> we came together in 2008. we had a hard-fought primary. democrats know that what we have to do, the party that's really the party against the people in this country that are republicans, because the democratic party and our nominee, who i think are hillary clinton, will make the case that we will improve people's lives economically, giving their kids the education they deserve, taking on climate change, and we'll be making that case forcefully against republicans and we will unite democrats around that. >> she's in new york? >> yes, home state. >> joel benenson. thank you very much for being with us. >>> breaking news to report from the supreme court. i

the "washington post" fact checker today gave bernie sanders three pinocchios. and last night, that's what he did to her. secondly, he has suggested that she has tried to make politics out of the attack at sandy hook. suggesting it was she who called on him to apologize for his vote in favor of gun manufacturer liability. the reality is, he made his comments doubling down to the new york daily news last week in support of that vote he took. and it was the loved ones of the victims at sandy hook that spoke out and said, they wanted an apology from senator sanders, because they are trying to bring a lawsuit and he's opposing them getting their day in court. that wasn't hillary clinton that called him out on that. that was the victims of sandy hook. >> he says she's not qualified to be president of the united states. because she voted for the iraq war. because she takes all this money from wall street. and that's -- and she supports all these trade agreements that have cost a lot of jobs in the united states. and i want you to respond directly, because he says she

this uses that and the ad is called nose with a pinocchio effect and accusing ted cruz not being truthful and descriptive. governor kasich said he does not like the word lying. has told his own campaign which he has control over to not be using that and send a message that he doesn't like it. he likes them to take it down. he doesn't have control to do that because they're separate and that ad might be effective for him but he's trying to remain on the more constructive not name-calling side of this. at the same time, he's also a bit sharper today in his criticism of ted cruz saying he's not accomplished anything in washington except a government shutdown. so he's willing to be more critical, but he doesn't want some of the more colorful, programs even ugly phrases and names that has been so much a part of this gop race. the news is that he doesn't like the ad, wishes they would take it down but doesn't have direct control over that. >> kelly o'donnell. well, chuck todd, msnbc political director. moderator of "meet the press" and the 9:00 hour. what an hour you had today. all over the pla

actually "the washington post" said three pinocchios, the "new yorktimes" analyzed it and other independent analysts have said that they are misrepresenting my record. i'm just not going to -- i feel sorry, sometimes, for the young people who, you know, believe this. they don't do their own research. and i'm glad that we can now point to reliable independent analysis to say, no, it's just not true. >> do you believe that he's been lying about other parts of your record, or just this instance? when you said that. >> well, you know, i'm not going to go into that. i think that we've tried to run a campaign on the issues. i'm going to keep talking about the issues. i was up in syracuse yesterday talking about my new manufacturing plan, bring manufacturing back to americ let's make it in america. that's what i think the american people are interested in hearing. a i'm going to keep doing what i've been doing in this campaign, which is to, you know, draw the corast but stay on the issues. >> well, snator sanders had something to say about you today actually campaigning in wisconsin and your paid

. >> now, the "washington post" actually gave him three pinocchios on that but this is a line of attackst's been successful for him when he talks about fund-raising, the money she's gotten for speeches. >> they're continuing to try to fund raise off that issue. just to get to that fact checkpoint, independent analysts have determined both candidates have accepted money from employees who work for the oil and gas industry. secretary clinton probably a little bit more than senator sanders. it underscores he's going for this, not backing down. he raised $44 million last month, chris. he's still very much a force to be contended with. >> kristen welker, my colleague at the white house who i never see anymore except on the campaign trail. thank you for coming on. >>> one key voting group for the democrats of course is latinos. a small but young and active group in wisconsin. of the 156,000 eligible latino voters in this state, just over 44% are millennial, 65% plus mexican. so today 25 volunteers were outdoor to door in snow and rain pushing for candidates with a progressive agenda. >> for a

actually "the washington post" said three pinocchios, the "new york times" analyzed it and other independentlysts have said that they are misrepresenting my record. i'm just not going to -- i feel sorry, sometimes, for the young people who, you know, believe this. they don't do their own research. and i'm glad that we can now point to reliable independent analysis to say, no, it's just not true. >> do you believe that he's been lying about other parts of your record, or just this instance? when you said that. >> well, you know, i'm not going to go into that. i think that we've tried to run a campaign on the issues. i'm going to keep talking about the issues. i was up in syracuse yesterday talking about my new manufacturing plan, bring manufacturing back to america, let's make it in america. that's what i think the american people are interested in hearing. and i'm going to keep doing what i've been doing in this campaign, which is to, you know, draw the contrast but stay on the issues. >> well, senator sanders had something to say about you today actually campaigning in wisconsin and your pa

. >> fact checkers gave it three pinocchios she ever said he was disqualified, or not qualified.believe jeff zeleny over the fact checkers at pinocchio land. >> you felt it was important to engage in a tit for tat because of that? >> no. important to demonstrate bernie sanders is flot a punching bag for the clinton campaign. not rolling into new york and have them unleash negative attacks, distortions and frankly in some cases lies and not respond. >> so is this a new tone? will we see something different next week? >> i said earlier, a big debate who was a progressive? remember that much earlier on? bernie sanders set the message in the race. dominated in the issue to run. clinton campaign sets the tone. if they want a harsh tone, sharp elbows in new york, happy to participate on that level. a reasoned discussion of the issues and contrasts between the candidates, awawe're happy to d that, too. >> why can't you take the high ground? why must you return live fire? >> that's the world we live's inallow yourself to be a punching bag two weeks here in new york, and don't respond, it

i thought pinocchio was scary. is kasich getting anything out of this or helping donald trump?ick perry, ted cruz supporter and governor former governor of texas and former presidential candidate. who do you think of ad, governor. >> depend who you think your audience is and 8th graders can't vote. really amazing to me when they don't want to talk about issues generally they attack the candidate. that is what i see 30 plus years being evolved in elected politics. the real adult in the room, most people realize the ted cruz is the intellectual giant here. he is the person who is the constitutionalist. he is the person who understands i think these issues at depth better than other two left in. when you get down to it, it is two-person race. it is between trump and, donald trump's having his real issues here. you all talked in the earlier section about female issue that he has. it's real, and it's deep. i don't know how he gets himself out of that hole. even if he stops digging it is so deep i think most voters out there are like, is this person really thoughtful enough, is he ma