between pirelli and hirsch, the political side is covered. per refusally is an old obama buddy back in his days in the harvard law review back at harvard. and he is the top obama guy in terms of helping him with the transition at the time. between the bush presidency and the obama presidency and obviously was appointed number three at the department of justice. in fact, emails show that pirelli was very active talking about these, this case in the days before it was dropped. i don't know -- perez came in after the fact. pretended none of these political people were involved and perez himself is another democratic activist. he ran for public office in maryland. >> bill: but perez is in trouble now i don't think under this justice department he would be but he could be charged with perjury because he testified under oath in front of the civil rights commission and said no, none of that. >> this -- his false testimony it. i think it's false testimony. it's been out there for some time. the justice department has refused to act on it. and this la