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look, people actually try to pirg out if there are conspiracies, really. of. [laughter] and nothing. >> i was going to say, you don't think there was anything deeply sinister beyond what we her know? >> well, i'll tell you my -- i'll tell you what struck me as really interesting about that tape was how it had been handled. it was my job at the national archives, at the library, i wrote the new watergate gallery at the library, and i looked into this. i had ap interest in tapes. -- ap interest in tapes. i had run a project analyzing presidential tapes. and it turned out that these tapes had gone to -- this particular tape which is from, if i'm not mistaken, june 20, 1972, the first time that haldeman and nixon are talking to each other in the white house of after watergate. now, they've talked to each other before because they were this florida, but this is their first time next to a taping system. anyway, that tape went to camp david where it was worked on by the president's secretary, rosemary woods, and it also went to key biscayne. so there are a number of

and if you don't, you could pirg that out by spending -- figure that out by spending six seconds on the internet. >> that's exactly my concern, he's been engulf inside a variety of controversy. have you reviewed this e-mail from april 21st, it's back in 19 t 8, but concern about the department must change its practice of hirings referring to the philadelphia police department where he says, quote: the end result has been the skipping over of qualified white candidates and the hiring of minorities with criminal records. he wants, he advocate cans changing the city charter and, again, goes on to read -- i'm give you the -- i'll give you the full e-mail be you haven't seen it. quote: the result is an uneducated, unskilled and unqualified department of minority officers. i would think that this would cause concern in addition to all the pluck things that are out there -- public things that are out will about mr. fumo. i would encourage you to look at the public record. i do hope to chat with you. i was disappointed when i asked if i could come see you and personally talk about this, i was t

you know, at some point i guess you have to pirg out if you're not -- figure out if you're not going to get that last one vote or the last two votes. you have to figure, okay, let's throw out another budget. let's start talking about budget cuts in areas. we've got some other significant budgetary problems, and my proposed budget addresses those. but it goes away, the proposed budget goes away. so that's where we are. >> all right. well, let's open it up to the audience. reporters, i'd like you to, please, state your name once you get the microphone, your outlet and your question for the governor. who would like to ask a question? >> got one right here. >> right here in front, all right. >> [inaudible] >> hold on. why don't you get the mic and restate. >> phil -- nice to see you again. >> good to see you. >> how much do you think this will affect other states that are looking at this? do you think this will sort of put the brakes on it in other states that are considering this? >> it depends on whether or not, it seems to me it depends on whether or not they analyze why it wouldn't g