troy: i met an entrepreneur by the name of shervin pishevar.e said, you know what, i'm thinking about going into venture capital. the first deal shervin called me about was uber. at that time, they were only in san francisco. the first conversation i had with travis, was about -- you know, i'm thinking, the capital expenses around this business of buying, you know, hundreds of thousands of black cars. this could never be successful. and, automatically, travis said, we are a logistics platform. we are not buying cars. he explained it. my worry was about, how do you scale this company? emily: so travis was convincing you? you were not convincing travis to let you in? troy: yes, he basically sold me on the vision. at that stage, you are interviewing each other. we had a pretty significant network. we helped pull jay-z and the roc nation team into uber. it was about us being able to activate our network as well. emily: you are also an investor in lyft. troy: yes. emily: uber and lyft are like sworn enemies. how does that work? troy: we actually inv

troy: i met an entrepreneur by the name of shervin pishevar.you know what, i'm thinking about going into venture capital. the first deal shervin called me about was uber. at that time, they were only in san francisco. the first conversation i had with travis, was about -- you know, i'm thinking, the capital expenses around this business of buying, you know, hundreds of thousands of black cars. this could never be successful. and, automatically, travis said, we are a logistics platform. we are not buying cars. he explained it. my worry was about, how do you scale this company? emily: so travis was convincing you? you were not convincing travis to let you in? troy: yes, he basically sold me on the vision. at that stage, you are interviewing each other. we had a pretty significant network. we helped pull jay-z and the roc nation team into uber. it was about us being able to activate our network as well. emily: you are also an investor in lyft. troy: yes. emily: uber and lyft are like sworn enemies. how does that work? troy: we actually invested in