did he seem tired or worn down from sort of the scandals that have been playinging him? >> no -- playing him? >> -- plaguing him? >> no. he was strong soldier. very knowledgeable. very strong. and again, spoke to him at the beginning of the hearing and the end of the hearing. i consider him a friend. which made the questioning tough, to be honest with you. >> how long did the testimony last? >> you said you consider him a friend. it made the questioning tough? >> we asked questions. sometimes in a hearing your adrenaline is pumping and you're going back and forth. you realize the human tragedy here and that he's going through an awful lot. on the other hand we had an obligation to find out what we could. it's a lot easier when you disease like the guy when you're asking him questions. like when you ask us questionless. >> did he give any indication of how he felt after ambassador rice's testimony? >> he didn't watch the testimony. >> did he sleep with her before hand? >> no. >> [inaudible] the c.i.a. gave the white house included al qaeda involvement and afterwards that