plessy v. fergusonwrong even though it was easier to decide brown against board of education in 1954 than it would have been in 1898. the japannese enterment case was wrong. the supreme court has held even though it took place during world war ii when there was a lot of anti-japase sentiment. the court ought to enforce the constitutional rights even when it's unpopular. maybe particularly when it's unpopular. but i think the fact that public opinion has shifted so much makes it easier perhaps to enforce these constitutional rights. >> charlie: the constitution then has meaning outside the courts. >> it does because the courts h.i.v. in our society. they're influenced by our society, and i think that's always a part of the atmosphere. u hope and almostalways not alwaysot often enough but almost always you hope they really do enforce the constitution. every now and then they get it wrong. and people suffer as a result. >> charlie: but it's the courts in the end who defend individual liberty. >> it is. it