i believe what he -- his passion for doing something you know, for you know plitly and for people, actually. i believe in him. so... >> sean: there is a couple moments saying one you had not raised a lot of money. and iing i don't have a chance in this race. he's got endorsements and money. you began to doubt whether you should do it. and began running for governor and attorney general. what was going through your mind? you didn't want to lose. >> everything i knew about politics i was going to lose. ways behind in the poll asks i couldn't raise money, everyone was endorsing him. everything i'd known up until that point taught me i was going to lose and badly. i didn't want to go through that. i didn't want to put them through a year and a half of campaign for a cause that couldn't be won. where i think jeanette, she reminded me of yi wanted to be in this to begin w this wasn't to be someone, it's to do something. if you want to be shun you run for easiest office. >> i remember first time we met there was a point where nobody knew who you were. kind of assumed that charlie chris would win t