that is the plo. but without much effective presence with one that has really waned over time, for a variety of reasons including most importantly as a direct consequence of the failed political process. and on the other, another group, another camp that does not have the power to represent but has real strength and field presence in ways that cannot be ignored. the doctrine has referred them, deal with what exists, and the framework that does have the power to represent, reach a peace agreement that the process itself plus the outcome would be transformative enough to really take us all to a successful end, if you will, conclusion. that has not happened. that has not happened over the past 20 years. i would say over the past 15 years since may 1999 when this was supposed to have been concluded by agreement and through negotiation and it wasn't. if anything, the goal achieved and developed out of this political process looks more distant today than in 1999. that is a really serious problem and one tha

, the leadership of the plo, and hamas, and the israelis in the mix. the [ inaudible ] that came up when john kerry was leading the mediation a few days ago, about which the israelis revolted and criticized him heavily in a way that irritated the united states because it was done without attribution, john kerry's sin was to say the only way to get a sustainable ceasefire is to return to the political negotiating table about the future of the israeli palestinian relationship. and for the israeli government, they want fattah -- i beg your pardon -- they want gaza and hamas to be an isolated problem that can only be dealt with in isolation from the larger political picture from their point of view. >> building on there, consensus government or unity government, consensus government was the word used before, hindrance in the end when we're talking about negotiations? does it give israel's position when it comes to dealing with hamas. >> well it's not in the palestinian interest to concede what suits israel. and one explanation of why this war broke out whe

the plo proposing a 24-hour ceasefire, but hamas has yet to sign off.eanwhile the palestinians are burying their dead. among them ten members from the same family. secretary of state john kerry says both sides should consider a ceasefire. >> president obama has it right, and the international community has it right, when we say it is more appropriate to try to resolve the underlying issues at a negotiating table than to continue a tit-for-tat of violence. >>> meanwhile the death toll is rising, the numbers are changing by the minute. 1,191 palestinians have been killed more than 6900 injured. on the israeli side, 53 soldiers, 56 israelis all told have been killed, three are civilians. kim vinnell reports from the west bank. >> we have spoken to a palestinian senior official whom we can't name because he is closely involved in the negotiations with hamas, and he said he should haven't come out so quickly; that he jumped the gun in you would like. and he should have waited after a meeting due to tonight with the plo political committee. so obviously there

of himself as a professional revolutionary he packed a pistol in his waistband and to recognize the plologue and of course, teetoo was initially to decide that this was not a regrettable source that he could become a source and turns it into a friendship. and later said professionally speaking they were each the most significant person in each other's life. and it was a relationship but it was rocky. not only packing a gun but was revolutionary that he was involved with bloody prints to kill people and directing in the early '70s the war of the spooks were the officers were attempting to return get palestinians it was a rocky relationshipç-ñ with a terrorist, a freedom fighter but i argue in the book this was exactly what a cia officer should be doing trying to do get close and cultivate to get information from the bad guy. ames broke all the rules in a certain way but in the imaginative fashion. he is very good at cultivating friends. he was not a james bond. he did in fact, have to carry a pistol vocationally with the streets of beirut as it turned into civil war and he hated guns, he

. >> well, leaders from the palestinian liberation organization, the plo, have been meeting i meet in ramallah to discuss the truce. what are your expectations from this meeting? >> reporter: well, we've had developments we have heard that hamas is very upset and wanted to wait for israel's response before the announcement of the cease-fire was announced, and that the plo has said also believe now that israel does not want the cease-fire and i've heard this through officials in egypt. the source is also telling us that egypt has told the plo not to come to cairo with a planned delegation until both sides are willing to sit down at the table and talk in cairo, major development there is. but we were hearing that negotiations were still going on, and there was a move towards a cease-fire and the cease-fire proposal from the plo on jihad and hamas is being considered. it's still unclear at this moment, but the israeli security cabinet is meeting on wednesday, no doubt we'll hear more after that. >> as reporting, gaza continues to deteriorate. we're joined from gaza. we were discussing wi

and that's what threw them into the arms of the plo in the reconciliation agreement.nd they wanted to rid themselves, but now there's a war going on, and they need to prove that they can remain the resistance organization of the palestinians, but they're getting pommeled and the people they represent the most, it's very difficult. it's political, prestige, and a bit ofigo and it's a mess inside of the palestinian camp. >> so hamas wants open borders, and israel says absolutely not. where does it go from there? >> well, the israelis believe that they have this offensive tunnel operation, and they're not going to let go very easily. as we see the scope of these tunnels and the degree to which they are sophisticated and they allow for the masses of palestinian fighters to enter israel subterranean fashion, israelis believe that they are going to have to destroy these tunnels before they will consider what the conditions are for ceasefire. they certainly would not allow for the kind of open border to give ham as the opportunity to rearm. so if there's international real s

the plo has been talking about this for sometime. today plo political committee met and said we are in agreement we would like to join the international criminal court, but first we would like the arab league to vote on that and be in agreement with us before we go ahead. bare in mind this will take a long time to work through, although lawyers are saying it is possible this could happen, but in order for a case to be referred to the icc, it has to be referred from the country where the crime took place or the security council, and the security council would never really allow that to happen, and another point to make is that if palestine signed up to the icc, it could also be open to facing similar lawsuits that it would be looking to take against israe israel. >> thank you for that. so what kim and nicole have been talking about are really the events of the last let's afour or five hours. earlier on wednesday there was a shelling of a un school being used as a shelter. our correspondent in gaza went there and spoke to some of the s

the announcement of the truce was made earlier by the plo.e a listen to this. >> translator: after consulting with our brethren in hamas and the islamic jihad, the palestinian authority announce in the name of all of the factions our readiness to stop the fighting and agree on a 24-hour humanitarian ceasefire in gaza. there is also a un proposal to make at it 72-hour ceasefire. we're positively considering that proposal as well. >> we have from heard from john kerry. he says he has been speaking to the israeli prime minister, who says he would agree to a ceasefire as long as israel could continue to protect itself from rocket attacks. >> what we put on the table in fact allowed israel, let me make this clear, allowed israel to continue to deal with its tunnels even as they were in a short-term ceasefire to try to see if the there was a way to reach a sustainable ceasefire. the un has called for this, the international community has called for this, and prime minister netenyahu himself says he is prepared to embrace it provided israel can cont

and over the years after 1967 they moved into the plo and took it over. we saw the emergence, the palestinian claim to sovereignty and independence as an issue in the conflict of the first time penitence so instead of a conflict having an image of large or massive arabs against little israel it became now little bit strong israel against tiny and week palestine. and instead of the issue being israeli was at the end of the war and occupation of territories or several million palestinian arabs lived commensurate of it being a question of people who are trying to deny this is a state of there own, it now became the question of the jews or israelis trying to deny and other people a state of there own that is the palestinians. so this gave the whole conflict a different look, with this is still not a sufficient explanation of the hostility that is the latest in israel today. maybe it the world can't care about an occupation or about palestinian national aspirations , but this in itself requires explanation. no one cares about other observations. who gets exerc

let's talk with our plo executive committee member and joins me from ramallah in the west bank.nk you for being with us. first of all, let's talk about potential cease-fire discussions right now happening in cairo. secretary of state john kerry is there. do you place much hope in this latest attempt, do you think? >> look, if the u.s. thinks it can do much of the same with results, it's not met with much success. if you are only going to deal with the outcome of the latest israeli assault or the latest israeli violence, then you're going to keep in place all the conditions that have led to this cycle or to this other form of violence. it's important that we deal with issues. john kerry seems to be working for an extended humanitarian cease-fire and then others can discuss cease-fire. the problem is, any intermittent phases, is fill with israeli violence. unless you have the courage to deal with issues, to curb israeli violations, you will be repeating the same thing hillary clinton did in 2012 when she brokered along with egyptian president morsi the 2012 cease-fire which they v

is it calling into question the relationship between the plo and hamas? >> it certainly is.is putting a lot of pressure on the government of national accord and on all attempts of affecting genuine determination. but it is the national interest -- it is in our interest to empower ourselves through a vibrant inclusive democracy, and this is what we're working for. israel has done everything possible to try to prevent this government of national accord from taking place. the moment three israeli settlers were abducted the first thing that netenyahu said was hamas is to blame and the palestinian government should be disbanded, and the agreement with hamas should be repealed. we know they want to keep the palestinians divided and at the mercy of israely assault. >> thank you very much for ro n rooen -- joining us. thank you. >> we'll have plenty more of the latest developments on our website, you can click on the link on our home page. that's aljazeera.com. >>> afghan presidential candidate has rejected the results of the election, preliminary results show his opponent has obtai

the plo, pa vision of peace negotiations for 20 years didn't go, and palestinians are very frustratedthey don't know where we are going. >> ambassador dan court ser, when we look at moments like the oslo accords. each the talks not ending in a settlement, there was a feel of forward movement of some kind. have we come to a point where those seem naive, those attempts, at earlier peace? >> i don't think so. what you had in the past when we had successes, whether in the '70s, or the egyptian treaty or the madrid conference or oslo was a combination or determination on the part of the two people's to make progress, but determined strong leadership. and what we are missing today, really, is that combination. i think in all of the constituencies you have an israeli government that says it wants to make peace, but settlement activity continues, and continues to eat up the land which is negotiated over. you have a palestinian leadership which is trying to marshall support for a peace process that, as you heard from aziz is not popular, and you have spoilers on the palestinian side who will c

they had no money, and the plo is refusing to pay for it.he palestinian authority isn't going to pay for it. they are being marginalized. >> john, the peace talks are dead for now. they are dead indefinitely. who did not want to give up gaza is not going to give up the west bank. he may go back into gaza. as for hamas, they are not going to negotiate with the isrealis. the one thing they would do is sit there. they wanted a ten year truce and quite frankly, this is a bloody mess and it is very difficult to see how not that you get back to peace talks, but how you get this to a truce and stop the fighting and stop the killing because this could spread not only to the west bank, but into the larger arab world where arabs are forced to respond. >> they need challenges to deescalate. i don't think either side wants a war and i don't think israel wants it. but neither of them know how to walk away. the emotions, because these are kids who were murdered is really driving this. >> give me a view on this. where's the offramp right now? it's great to

we have the chief plo representative here in washington.on down it it looks like it's about to explode. i don't know if you agree? >> i don't think it's of interest in anybody in that region to escalate. the palestinian leadership, the plo, president abbas have been calling for deescalation. he has been talking to different parties including the united states about deescalating the situation. i think we should not forget in the midst of all this unfortunate tension and the murders of teenagers and the palestinian teenager the way he was killed and burned to death, that the root cause of this conflict is the occupation. i think what we need to do is to provide palestinians with dignified life, freedom in return -- >> secretary kerry, the obama administration have been trying for ten months. there were major talks with the israelis, palestinians and the u.s. involved. is that over with? any chance the u.s. can revive those peace process negotiations? >> i think the recent events of the last two weeks prove beyond any doubt that this political

and even at the cost of the appeal go -- of the plo. the cost of the prime minister to proceed. -- as i talk about lots of little projects through the occupied territories, many of them through the not high jacobousual -- non--high jackable usual bepects, not only will there a future, but in a big way, yes, for that. collect there has been a backlighting of the bottom up approach, the faith approach. we have seen through palestinian politics a freedom of expression. and part of that is the top-down focus. yad, theerence from fa degree to which his population is still measured. and unfortunately, his father passed away recently and the for populars called demonstration any approach he adopted. that is good news for the approach. the bad news is, there is no mechanism within palestinian transfer- politics to third-party ethics. that is why i have been advocating throughout my comics part of a political -- through my comments part of a political change. we have talked a lot about the reform through 2006. they just has not happened. and mos

. >> that's what happened when the plo sort of broke off from hamas and established themselves in the west bank area. so, i'm not surprised. at a certain point these people are the once suffering because hamas is using them for their own shield, if you will. but let me go back to kerry for a second. there's not been a successful u.s. negotiation for a cease-fire. the united states has a miserable track record because the united states is part of or at least perceived to be by the arabs as part of the problem. so i'm not so sure that it ought to be done that way. eric might be right. egypt tried to do a cease-fire. it didn't work. head of the u.n. security council gave a unanimous resolution to cease and desist. it's time for the united states to make it clear that israel is getting the bad end of this. but put it in someone else's hand. >> can i follow up on that? how is this going to work? i hear what you're saying. i don't think it's the person doing the ask or trying to meet in the middle. it's not a problem because it's the united states that might be behind it and see us as more

it's fortunes inversely related to the fortunes of the plo.oderate, pa's moderate, wants to make a deal, negotiate a way out. when they fail to accomplish anything or to deliver to the public, then folks who claim resistance like hamas, then appear more appealing to the public and they would just talk about delivering through confrontation. >> they say they're focused on tunnels and objectives relating to military threat. we had a report earlier saying in some instances, she saw warning shots fired, allowing people to exit. the pamphlets that have been distributed and yet, the complaint yet again is that simp shizers, you have civilians dying, children dying in numbers no way comparable to what's happened inside israel. >> only two people died inside of israel and 240, more than that. in palestine. what despite the repeated statements that are made on behalf of israel that they're trying to exercise caution and have to take their word for it, the end result is that there are these deaths, these pictures and especially devastates for israel fro

the consequences of things that happen outside of their area of purview at the doorstep of say the plo or the pla because they do not control the situation. and their ability to control what happens in areas that they do have authority in is being very much undermined. in addition to which, obviously they do not have control over the people in gaza. isis fair to say that hamas experiencing a very serious identity crisis and leadership crisis as well. its politicaly of wing, particularly the politburo, but even others within the political leadership to control all its factions is certain the questionable. the extent to which anyone is could in control of the situation as it is unfolding in terms of creating a real break on it or imposing a political solution is quite limited and it is very important. this is particularly the case given the level of anger that has been brooding over the years, that has driven the situation to the point that people can target children, knowingly, deliberately, callously, and call for revenge as a substitute for politics and policy. and that i think is the

, the temporarily the leadership of the plo formed after the reconciliation and this leadership is supposed to be part of the negotiations. and now we have talked to the president on the basis of the palestinian agreement and he agrees on that. and i think he presented that to secretary kerry and we are hoping to hear a positive answer from kerry and he can also have a positive answer from the israeli side. >> i want to play for you the words of a palestinian woman that got very upset. >> egypt, saudi arabia they are all abandoning us. >> what do you say to her? in past conflicts you are getting far less support from arab leaders. >> well, her words are clear. she didn't ask hamas to support because hamas is supporting here on the ground. she didn't talk about hamas because she knows what hamas is doing for her and her own people and for the palestinians in gaza. how hasms are protect -- how hamas is protecting and trying to protect the palestinian people. she was asking for who they did nothing for them. she was to protect the palestinians. i can't say nothing, i can say just only i suppor

also joining us, the palestinian representative, plo ambassador here in washington.ady for all-out war right now? or can cooler heads prevail? >> i hope not. because we have -- >> hope not what? >> i hope not, that it is not going to escalate no an all-out war because for israelis they have to know there is no solution. we have seen this many times before. in november 2012 and in 2007 and what did it produce? more suffering for both sides. the only solution for this problem is for -- >> how do you convince hamas to stop firing rockets, missiles into israel? >> i think there's an reaction it each action. for the least few weeks, we have been escalation. on the part of the israel government. the west bank target -- many affiliations with hamas. and it is expected that escalation will lead to this kind of skirmishes and confrontation. >> you're worried right now? >> of course i'm worried. there are palestinian people who are being killed. today the number of people insofar as 2. >> in gaza. >> just two hours ago a family of six perished in an israeli air raid. >> genera

the secretary general of the plo has said that the cease-fire had already been agreed upon by all the palestinians sections, but later it emerged that negotiation negotiations are still ongoing. now israel for its part has not yet responded formerly to this cease-fire talk from the plo, hamas, and the islamic jihad, but forces are telling us that they're moving towards the cease-fire direction. talks are ongoing. we understand that they're continuing to be mediated, and the middle man if you like, all of this is egypt. >> more than 1200 palestinians have been killed in more than 7,000 have been injured. the united nations said nearly 182,000 have been displaced on the gaza side. 56 has been killed in israel. mike viqeira is live for us at at white house. what do the new sanctions involve here? >> reporter: tony, it's been a long time coming. president obama has been spending time to convince or cajole europe to take sanctions against russian economy. the president laying out a fresh indictment since the bringing down of flight mh-17. russia has not backed down. they've doubled down an

plo back in 1988 accepted two-state solution in which israel in the 67 borders would be accepted. and hamas has not accepted that and wants to see the occupation of all of what they thought palestine removed. that's the heart of their ideology is the destruction of israel not most with israel. >> rose: they have not moved from that one bit. >> no. well hamas is a practical organization. they are tunnel builders. and so you know, they have from time to time said that they can accept a long term cease-fire with the zionist entity and the return of the west bank return of the occupation of the west bank first just like israel withdrew from gaza. they accepted that and eventually took control there. so they'll take it step by step but their intention is to take it all. >> rose: what do you think the israeli objective is now other than to stop the rockets? given the fact that circumstances presented them with this challenge, do you believe that they simply want to go in and not only close all the tunnels but dessimate hamas. >> well, it's a kind of mission creep that we're witnessing a

well as those factions that are outside the plo, including hamas and islamic jihad.n initiative that was put forward. what that suggests, think, is there is internal division within hamas, both between the political leadership outside of gaza and those inside, as well as between the political wing and the military wing. >> so explain, because a lot of us are a little confusioned. khaled meshaal, the political leader of hamas, where does he stand as far as the cease-fire, working with mahmoud abbas, president of the palestinian authority? >> khaled meshaal has been one of the more moderate voices in hamas' leadership for a long time. he has been side lined somewhat, particularly since the egyptian coup last year, which has tended to embolden the hard-liners inside gaza, including the military wing of hamas in gaza, as well as more hard-line political leaders. so he's still officially the head of the political bureau of hamas, but he, being on the outside, he has less control over actual decision making operationally on the ground. >> because he's in doha, qatar. he's

today the attorney general of the plo called for a 24-hour cease-fire and said the deal was made after consulting hamas but hamas said it did not want a truce. are you speaking on behalf of hamas or not? >> i think what happened did not reflect positions within the palestinian government. hamas say that? >> because it was announced prematurely. the concern of the palestinian factions in the gaza strip is that israel wants a cease-fire, giving them a right to continue with their efforts against the palestinians. a cease-fire is a cease-fire. they have to cease their efforts in order for us not to respond. >> are you confident there could be a cease-fire, that there is some middle ground? >> i know that egypt is very much informed. i know that president abbas spoke to the egyptian president yesterday. he also spoke to the leaders of hamas and islamic jihad. there is another meeting scheduled for tomorrow. i think these efforts are aimed at reaching an immediate cease-fire. before would the formula a cease-fire? it seems like there are conflicting demands. ?hat is the middle road >> the a

before hamas there was the plo. and everyone hated plo, because they were terrorists at the time. abbas is not liked around the world for showing weakness. so at the end of the day, really it's not a question about factions and characters and leaders, it's about a system of occupation that needs to end, and when that happens probably you will see palestinian leaders are far more moderate, and i would expect israeli leaders that are far more moderate when the occupation ends. >> that's a very big when, isn't it? thank you. >>> just seeing a line from reuters, president putin has agreed with iran's president on the need for a swift end to the conflict in gaza. let's go back to lauren taylor for more. >> yes, steven malaysia's national carrier is reeling over its second disaster in just three months. a plane disappeared route to beijing. and now there are more tough questions for the malaysian government. let's go to florence. what was the transport ministers response to some of those questions or criticisms of malaysia airlines for flying that route? >> that's right. he had to deal

beara way from the tvs and microphones joining us for that conversation, diana a former advice tore ploirman mahmoud abbas. in our washington studio robert hunter a former white house representative to the arab israeli peace talks, from tel aviv dan golden blat israeli co-director of the israel palestine creative regional in addition tiffs, diana led me start with you . here we are engaged in are several days of back and forth fighting. what ask at work on the palestinian side that has spokesmen saying today that they are going to keep up the fight ? >> well, ray, i think it's important that we put this in its proper political context, which is that even if hamas was not firing any rockets, the situation in gaza has been dire simply because israel has imposed a siege, a blockade on the gaza strip that's been lasting for over seven years. and a military occupation over the gaza strip that's lasted now for 47 years. what this means is that palestinians can't import, they can't export. they are always constant electricity shortages, they have no place to go. and this is a refugees civilian

>> first of all i represent the plo, not the palestinian authority.the score issue is not the tunnels, erin. the israelis started this war to stop launching rockets from israel. then they switched the objective to destroying the tunnels. then they want now to disarm gaza. the issue here is not the stuns. the issue here is a military occupation, a military blockade of 1.8 million palestinians who are living in an open-air jail. it's the 47-year-old military occupation of the palestinian people. it's israel's refusal to allow the palestinians to live in dignity and freedom. let me say that clearly -- as long as the palestinian people don't live in peace and security, israel will not live in peace and security. it's a very simple equation. live and let live. israel wants to live and kill the palestinians. they don't want to see an independent palestinian state. they want to continue their oppression against the palestinian people. >> ambassador, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank very much. >>> still out-front is the wreckage of malaysian flight 1

i know you do not represent hamas, represent the plo. seeing that video, do you understand or even support israel's mission to say they need to destroy these tunnels? >> well, i'll tell you something. this is not the issue of tunnels here, jake. it's much more complicated than that. it didn't start with the tunnels. >> i get that. >> these tunnels were used for different purposes. >> the ones from egypt to gaza were used for smuggling in goods and services but the ones from gaza to israel as a hamas representative told me the other day are for military. >> these tunnels were built some time ago and over the last two years, during the cease-fire between hamas and israel, that israeli breached 226 times since november, 2012 until july 2014. 225 times, killed 26 palestinians. hamas never used these tunnels to attack israel. >> i take your point, but does israel not have a right to destroy these tunnels? can you understand why any nation would want to destroy the tunnels. >> hamas and palestinian factions used these tunnels when israel invad

plos suggest most israelis support the attacks on gaza. the israeli human rights organization bet sell lum has not lost sight of the human tragedy posting the names and ainges of the gaza dead online. >> ahmad. >> using youtube to voice their names. the group was banned from reciting their names in an ad on israeli radio. >> i think it's a terrible statement of where things are in terms of the public psyche in israel these days, the dehumanization of palestinians in general and palestinians in gaza specifically. >> for those whose names have been spared from this list, the toll is still great. >> it is essential that the israelis see a human face of the price that is being paid by civilians. >> the ammunition and shrapnel and bombs and missiles killing these kids. they are almost had entirely israeli. but the governments of israel and the countries blame hamas. >> any human life that is lost is a tragedy but ultimately, indeed, hamas, they are accountable for localizing unlawfully placing these rocks within the houses. >> in this residence

. >> what can mahmoud abbas and the plo do to restore normalcy? >> well, i should also remind that the palestinian authority that the palestinian political leadership has no control at all over the areas which compromised 60% of the palestine. so, this is the problem. the state of palestine could guarantee the security of israel . this is what should happen. what we are doing is that from day one, we stated that we are against the killing of civilians. we need protections for our people, that there should be a political solution. the failure of any negotiation lease to this violence and what we need now is to go back to a political solution, the recipe we know is the two state solution. the escalation of the situation today will make it difficult. the realization of the solution which is now very difficult, almost impossible. >> the palestinian investor to journey -- to germany, thank you very much. >> 32 turkish drivers have been freed. they were held by isis militants taken in a mass kidnapping. >> the turkish foreign minister said the men were

president abbas you can conduct the negotiation, usual in charge of negotiation as the head of the plo. we believe that these are steps in the right direction of hama changing its behavior and its political thinking to be very close to the thinking of the plo. >> rose: why don't they change their behavior. >> i believe reality would teach all of us to be more sensitive to things that will bring less suffering to the people and you know the objective is to end occupation. the objective is independence of the state of palestine. the objective is to be a state to allow our people to live on dignity and freedom next to israel and to enter a chapter of new relationship between us and the israelis. i think all palestinians including hamas are moving in that direction. nobody would like to live in misery and pain and continuous occupation forever. >> rose: at the end of the kerry mission the problem was they just don't trust each other. palestinians don't trust israelis, israelis don't trust palestinians. >> when you see all the suffering in the palestinian home are these conditions to create

is there any movement on the cease-fire talks started by the plo today? i guess at this point rejected by hamas. >> yeah. it's less about rejecting and approaching as it is about is everything on the same side? in the west bank you have the head of the media branch of the plo, the palestinian authority, saying that we speak for hamas and hamas accepts this. five minutes later we all got a text from the hamas spokesman saying, not so fast. nobody speaks for us and we don't agree with this announcement. in the last half an hour you had the head of hamas' military wing getting on television and say, no cease-fire until our demands are met, and that's the lifting of the israeli siege and the opening of the borders. israeli officials are vowing that they will continue this fight until all those tunnels that lead from gaza to israel are destroyed and until all the rockets that fly from here into israel are destroyed. so both sides continue to use the rhetoric of increasing the violence rather than accepting the cease-fire. >> nick shifrin for us in gaza city. t

are the plo and hamas the right people to negotiate with.amas? >> well, you know hamas is part of the same government with the plo. and with fatah. theoretically they can speak with one voice. hamas can't be even absolutely assured it's speaking for its military wing. the brigades, the military wing of hamas they are the ones carrying out most of these rocket attacks. they are determined to move forward with this kind of offensive. they want israel to intervene. they want to see peace destroyed. and they are making their point. that's exactly what's happening. >> with regard to the demands from each side, christopher israel wants to demilitaryize gaza, hamas wants israel to lift its blockade. are those demands for which either is willing to budge? >> well, you know in this kind of a situation it's almost impossible to conceive of a time when in the middle of fighting israel would say, yes, we have overwhelming force. no we're not achieving all our ends but we're going to lift this blockade that's been in effect for seven years because we're

consequences for things that happened outside of their area of perfume at the doorstep of, say, the plo or the nba because they really don't control the situation. in addition to which, obviously they don't have control over the people in gaza. and even i think it's fair to say that the moss is experiencing a very serious identity crisis as well. and the ability of its political wing, particularly the politburo, but even others within its political leader to control sections and certainly its military wing is certainly questionable. the extent to which anyone is in control of the situation as it is unfolding in terms of creating a real break on rent or imposing a political solution is quite limited. again, that is very important. .. >> >> the other thing that is going on in that on the ground they have been allowed to slide with my circumstances which everybody has their share of the blame. in particular since the state institution building program with the ordinary palestinian people in the west bank was defunded and allowed to fizzle. we have notxt had a political safety net to catch

whether hamas truly is using civilians as human shields, because when we talk to somebody from the plo this morning, they said that is not what's happening. >> if you take a look where some of the rockets are launched from there, heavily concentrated populated areas. israeli also go after the source of the rocket launches and there will be civilian casualties and there have been extensive civilian casualties inside gaza, as you point out more than 160 people, many civilians, women and children, more than 1,000 have been injured. when hamas rockets come into israel, rockets and missiles, they're targeting various populated centers in israel. the israelis have a significant advantage in that they have this iron dome anti-missile system which works effectively especially when they can get information, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, a minute and a half in advance where it's heading they can launch the anti-missile systems, very dramatic and knock out the incoming rockets and missiles in the sky and they work very, very well. that's the main reason i suspect certainly all the analysts suspect why

they joined up with the palestinians, but they're broke, they had 40,000 employees, no money, and the ploss refusing to pay for it. the palestinian authority isn't going to pay for it. so they are being marginalized. there's a chance to pull off a deal now. >> john, the peace talks are dead for now. they were's dead indefinitely. netanyahu did not want to give you have gaza, is not going to give up the west bank, he may go back into gaza. as for hamas, they are not going to negotiate with the israelis. one thing they would do is sit there, they wanted a ten year truce, and john, this is a bloody mess, and very difficult to see how not that you get back to peace talks, but how you get this to a truce, and stop the fighting and stop the killing, because this could spread not only to the west bank, but into the larger arab world -- >> the immediate challenge is to de-escalate. i don't think any side wants a war, but neither know how to walk away, and the emotions, because these are kids who were murdered is really driving this. >> give me a view on this. >> where's the off ramp? it's great to

israel that abruptly suspended the peace negotiations in april, in response to the reconcile of the ploamas. a step long called for by our people as well as the international community. and that israel has publicly declared its option to the unity government and has used every baseless pretext to undermine the palestinian government, in attempting to force its collapse. we condemn such cynical tactics, provocations and illegal behavior, and call on the international community to also condemn it. there can be no justification for the killing of innocent civilians. >> in the last three days, 442 rockets have been fired into israel. that's one every ten minutes. [ siren sounding ] >> 15 seconds. that's how much time you have to run for your life. imagine having only 15 seconds to find a bomb shelter. now imagine doing it with small children or elderly parents or an elderly friend. a generation of israeli children is growing up under the shadow of this threat. this has become the normal way of life for many israelis. >> james bayes is keeping up with events at the un and joins us life. jame

what you saw in both cases was popular discontent with the official plo leadership, when they seem tobe so removed from hardships on the ground. in that situation you had palestinian leadership play catch up with developments on the ground, not lead them, and that situation is rife today for the similar type of situation, even the absence of leadership within palestinian politics. what we do not know is what is brewing underneath the surface. there've been committees that have come out that are added hating a third into the topic, but we do not know yet. what we do know is the leadership is reacting and not leaving. this is not a strategy forward. short of an intifada, there are things that can unravel. things that can unravel i quickly. tomorrow there should be a beingence by leslie newspaper. the palestinians were pressured not to go. with this showed, the first any --was that anything, raise rose going to breakdowns the one major attainment that we have seen in the last decade between israelis and palestinians, unprecedented, and i will and on this note. the price for returning to