the plo out of beirut, elements.ements ofi that were deeply unpopular among israelis. _ that were deeply unpopular among israelis. but— that were deeply unpopular among israelis, but probably— that were deeply unpopular among israelis, but probably the - that were deeply unpopular among israelis, but probably the most- israelis, but probably the most qualified — israelis, but probably the most qualified military— israelis, but probably the most qualified military failure - israelis, but probably the most qualified military failure seen i qualified military failure seen historically— qualified military failure seen historically by— qualified military failure seen historically by israelis - qualified military failure seen historically by israelis is - qualified military failure seen historically by israelis is the i qualified military failure seen . historically by israelis is the 1973 war, _ historically by israelis is the 1973 war. this — historically by israelis is the 1973 war. this was _ historically by israelis i

the plo is the representatives.e sole legitimate representative of the palestinian people... no, i'm sor , palestinian people... no, i'm sorry. when— palestinian people... no, i'm sorry. when you _ palestinian people... no, i'm sorry, when you say - palestinian people... no, i'm sorry, when you say that... l palestinian people... no, i'm i sorry, when you say that... you asked, sorry, when you say that... you asked. please. _ sorry, when you say that... you asked, please, give _ sorry, when you say that... you asked, please, give me - sorry, when you say that... ym. asked, please, give me time sorry, when you say that... you. asked, please, give me time to answer. you cannot equate that with a government that you recognise that is a member of the united nations, that is israel, with a group. do not equate that. and from day one, i have been asked this question about condemnation. and we are very clear, we have said — not october 7, for 30 years — that we do not condone violence on all sides, particularly civilians.

i mean, it's us, the plo, the national movement who started... a violent militant organisation in the 1990s. ok, i want to ask a question. now, in the face of this very clear reality in israel, they, those in government, do not want to create or end the conflict by ending their occupation. they are not interested. you've heard netanyahu numerous times. please believe him, he means it. he is not going to give us our rights. what do we do? we tried the armed struggle, and the world, of course, instigated by israel, called us terrorists. by the way, the plo is still designated in the us congress as a terrorist organisation, 30 years after we signed the oslo accords and after we committed to all that. so this isn'tjust about hamas. then we move to popular peaceful resistance and international activism. joining the un, joining the icc, joining the icj, as you remember, trying to bring some accountability. that is called diplomatic terrorism to the israelis. and then all our peaceful demonstrators — when our peaceful demonstrators go to protest the isr

, and the plo as liberation in it. a liberated state of palestine that includes the west bank, jerusalem and gaza and we would be running a country that will once again be a bridge between civilisations and a source of stability, but not the way israel wants. we are not running a country on the corpses of our people. these commonalities have to end. this has to be of —— peace has to prevail but not based on a show of power by israel on the bodies of our civilians. peace can only prevail when they recognise the legitimate birth rates of a nation that has been denied for more than 100 years. this is the moment to recognise that the only way forward is to craft a different path, to give the people hope for a different future, and i tell you, we can. i see people everywhere, i hear messages from everyone, everyone now needs one thing, that we can provide a different path. countries like the us in the uk should be busy providing that different path right at this moment. we providing that different path right at this moment.

the reason i'm aspect him stronger is because the plo agenda saying, it, the plo -- committed itselfaceful settlement, criminal itself to long violent resistance. -- even without israel recognizing our right to self determination. that was all part of a very flawed peace process, which led us to where we are now. , if you want peace have to be consistent, you have to understand the palestinians have equal rights, that we have better acknowledged -- to our own self determination, which is something israel rejected, refused, all the time. they say it openly. no negotiations. so where is the ability to have negotiations, when all they want to do is have a free hand to continue with, -- to continue with the disaster that continued in 1947, 48, continue to 67, continued through several assaults on gaza, and now they're trying to see the final chapter of -- by expelling the palestinians who are taking part of the land, or the whole land, or either you accept defeat, or you die. and the thing is, palestinians aren't ready to accept defeat, or to die, they will resist, and they want to stay

in the 80s and 70s, it was i about the plo. into thousands it was about the plo.ndependent commissions have inquiry have said included the commission of work crimes. israel continues to do that because it feels that it can�*t because it feels that it can�*t because so far, it has escaped accountability because the security council has failed its responsibilities and when the general assembly takes over that responsibility and adopts a resolution, it knows that it can count on allies like the us and the uk unfortunately to back it up and to turn a blind eye and for us officials to say, we are not imposing any red lines on israel as it continues to pound gaza. this, despite the fact that the majority of people in britain, the majority of people in britain, the majority of voters in the us oppose this war. they want to see a ceasefire because it is the right thing to ask for. it is the humane thing to ask for and the only way for any conflict to end, no matter how much fighting goes on, is to sit down and talk. this is a political conflict and there is only one way t

fatah, the party affiliated with the plo, placed second.sions among palestinian factions would go from bad to worse. the hamas leaders in gaza pressed their hard line toward israel. >> israel is our enemy who occupied our land and killed our leaders and demolished our homes and jailed our sons and uprooted our trees. we will never be its ally. john: hamas routed fatah from gaza in early 2007, putting control of the territories under different governments. gaza ruled by hamas, and the west bank governed by the palestinian authority. israel imposed a blockade on gaza, limiting the movement of goods and people in and out. it was, in part, a response to continued hamas attacks out of the gaza strip. the u.n. says the blockade has deepened the humanitarian crisis for the more than two million palestinians living there. >> you can imagine socially, politically, personally, ethically what that meant. an immense pool of bitterness and resentment. john: for the past 15 years, nsions have simmered between palestinians and israelis, occasionally erupt

the plo does not include hamas. hamas and the plo have not seen eye to eye for some time. fell back back in 1997, when hamas violently, in violent clashes, booted the plo and the fatah party. but the bottom line, why this was taken

abbas and the plo, it it. shows that there is more unity among the resistance even on groups like um plo having to come on board because of they can't if they if they actually go against the trend of supporting the resistance the right of resistance which is in shined in international law and it it it can it could be - for the case of palestine better than anywhere else around the world currently, and so you know if they want to go against that, they they will destroy themselves totally, so the trend right now is the unity, this what is happening right now in in in palestine would not have been possible without unity, without huge infrastructure, without support inside and outside without planning, not just months, but years and years. well, stay with me, master, we're looking at live images coming in from bettel there where we see palestinians out on the streets and uh throwing rocks and uh uh not sure exactly perhaps the blocking traffic or uh trying to uh show their support of course for what is taking place, we know that there have been demands, requests. that uh the palestinians

israelis in their occupation here. in lebanon, although the israeli said this was a war against the plo, plo presidents in lebanon, still the targeting was mainly on civilians, all destruction of homes, blo fighters did not live in the houses in south lebanon, they didn't live in the buildings inside inside bayrut, still they were all destroyed, people were killed, people were slaughtered of course, in addition to their support of the righteus um lebanese parties that caused so many massacres against the palestinians, the civilians themselves right after the plo withdrew from lebanon, so that sentiment has been growing ever since and this led also to the fact that the lebanese began resistance not only against the israelis, it's true that the israelies were occuping lebanon, there was armed resistance against the israelis, however one group decided that the main source of that occupation, the main source of evil as they saw, which is the israeli occupation was the us and the us marines was right there in the lebanese uh and the beirout airport, so they definitely knew where to hit, they

the palestinian authority, the plo, which is essentially the original real driving force of palestinian ship declared that it was the states many decades ago. some countries have accepted palestine as a state, but there are a number of others who haven't, the us being perhaps the main one. but it has at the moment, at the un it has observer status, nonmember observer status, which is essentially close to being accepted as estates, but not a state and we still talk about the peace process that has been going on for years, but has been stalled for a long time now. the main objective of that was to create a palestinian state, the so—called two state solution, to this conflict. �* ., two state solution, to this conflict-— two state solution, to this conflict. ., , ., , conflict. another question people have been asking _ conflict. another question people have been asking is _ conflict. another question people have been asking is does - conflict. another question people have been asking is does hamasl have been asking is does hamas represent palestine? iris. have been asking is does hamas re

one of their strategies was hijacking and they were among the minority of the plo most of the plo, and they pillow's leadership including yasser arafat at the time, did not approve of hijacking of the taking of innocent civilians and eventually the popular front did renounce that strategy but they were not at all representative of the plo in that way jordan you know that that took me a long time to figure out jordan was a funny nation. in 1970, allies of both the united states and, israel. but of course, jordan and israel were enemies of each other. the popular front made its in the capital city of amman. they picked jordan because it was an easy from which to make their own strikes. israel on their own, on military strikes. but the jordanian and palestinian population was it was a complicated it wasn't jordanians versus palestinians but i would most of the population both jordanian and palestinians did not like or approve of the popular front being in control of city of amman. they kind of made it a state within a state. but of course many of the palestinians who lived in jordan had b

the palestinians have their own representatives and that's they've never found nobody has except the plostorical tragedy. the jews did, and the fact that they are evicting us from our territory, that they are placing us under occupation, that they're treating us as third class citizens, that they are killing our people, that they are confining us to camps, etc. etc., we understand, look, i would, nobody can understand that, i mean, you can, you can grasp the first fact, the fact of the holocaust, but you can't translate that into your own, doom, my mind has always been busy with this question, what is the reason behind the occupation of palestine and the western support for the occupier. in my opinion, this issue is rooted in the way the west looks at the east and the palestinian cause emerges in this point of view. this war between peoples, a war which has been fought for generations and which concerns the whole world, is i believe inextricably entangled with the fantasies, dreams and ambitions. the west to rule and possess the east. there's also a question of how zionism conceives arab

the man in the mosque is the man whose face the plo needs to have and to hold.n the plo blunders, it is hamas, the palestinian islamic movement opposed to the peace deal, that wins his support. russian troops are intervening in squabbles in former soviet republics. further afield, boris yeltsin has changed his tune and now warns that russia opposes the early expansion of nato to include central european countries. in london today, the russian foreign minister, andrei kozyrev, said moscow was intervening in its former empire only to keep the peace. for the west, the greatest degree of anxiety centres on ukraine — a nuclear power, a large russian minority right on europe's threshold. the biggest problem we might face would be a crisis between russia and ukraine, which is not at all impossible, which would put tremendous pressure on central and eastern europe. students admit they are simply not sure what the rules of the mating game are. despite the so—called sexual revolution, there is a lot of naivety and misunderstanding. if a woman takes a man back to their roo

the plo does not include hamas. hamas and the plo have not seen eye to eye for some time. they really fell back back in 1997, when hamas violently, in violent clashes, booted the plo and the fatah party. but the bottom line, why this was taken out, kasie, we still don't know. a lot >>> thanks for all of you for joining us. don't go anywhere. "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ >>> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, glad you're with us. i'm poppy harlow with phil mattingly. in israel, secretary of state antony blinken is in jerusalem, he is meeting once again with israeli leaders. and we're also looking at these live pictures of smoke billowing above gaza city. a dire humanitarian crisis is unfolding there at this moment. and israeli ground offensive appears to be imminent this morning. blinken said that the u.s. is actively working to ensure that humanitarian assistance like water, food and medicine can get into gaza. >> the secretary of state also saying that safe passage way into egypt via the rafah crossing would be open as half a million people have fled no

israel denied the existence of the plo and rejected it. suddenly when you had a mutual recognition you were saying what was an existential conflict could be turn into the a political conflict, so we spent from 1993 to 1999 trying to negotiate an end to that conflict, and in a sense what we tried to do was see how we could meet the essential needs of each side. ultimately what did that in was again the role of hamas. i can tell you, after the assassination of rabin in 1995 when simon perez became the prime minster, he was working under the mantle of the emancipation. one said to me, simon perez lsh able to -- because the publish support what is he does. what happened after the assassination? four bombs in nine days by hamas which effectively undermines what perez was trying to do. the whole idea was perez was able to show, we're creating a peace approach, but the bombs basically brought about a question, is this the peace you're going produce? hamas has been there frustrating the ability to produce peace from the 1990s on. now they acted in

member of the palestinian of the palestine national council, to which umbrella organization belongs, the plokilled, holocaus یک مسئله بزرگ تو اروپا شده، و از این ابزار استفاده کرده که مظلومیت برای اسرائیل ایجاد کردی. find it very difficult, i won't say impossible, but i think it's very, very hard, and in this, i think palestinians are like most people, it's very hard for the palestinian who feels himself or herself to have been the victim of injustice by jews, israeli jews, to sympathize or imaginatively incorporate the history of the holocaust and say: "well, we forgive them for what they did, i mean after all, they suffered this enormous, this this colossal historical tragedy the jews did." "and the fact that they are evicting us from our territory, that they are placing us under occupation, that they're treating us as third class citizens, that they are killing our people, that they are confining us to camps, etc. etc. etc., we understand. look, i would, nobody can understand that, mean, you can, you can grasp the first fact, the fact of the holocaust, but you can't translate that into yo

first accord of oslo, which was accepted by the illusion of what was left of it, only to say that the plo represents the palestinian people, also the the mother whose son they killed, and they gave her doll in the place of her baby, of her infant. then they have this this mother has lost its mind, her mind and she has thought that the doll is her own infant, this is the comparison of what's happened to palestine, and this is something we continue to pay the price for today, 30 years later, 30 years on we continue to walk in the same cycle, and we continue to differ on one definition for. on the name of israel itself, whether it is an enemy or neighbor, and those who had the plo, and others as well, believed that the doll is the infant, what does the the so-called pl men or the palestinian authority? when the authority itself is embracing the... these are facts that people see a daily basis, but the lies, and the so-called illusions and illusionary and illusional decisions continue to be taken. israel says, there is no palestinian state, and even those reported say there's no palestinian s

they want part of it, like the plo was likely to settle for.hey wanted it all of it and a sc islamic siociety. so they were a armed group, as they put it resisting military occupation and as israelis put it as a terrorist group and the goal is to take all of the land to islam their own society and to marginalize and then supplant arafat as the leader of the palestinian people. >> and why do they have a appeal on that front. was -- why did palestinian turn away from arafat? >> yasser arafat, by no means figuring that israel has any great love for was always deeply suspicious of, but his plo, had in the 1990s, for many different reasons decided that they would sit down and talk. that they would negotiate with israel. they were -- they agreed that the oslo peace accords in the 1990s, they were at the table and hamas did not want that. it did not want to take some of the land. it did not want to see a more secular, more moderate palestinian authority, liberation organization prepared to share the land. hamas wanted all of it. they are the hardliner

zionists took recognition for plo, held the authority captive to members of its forces and transformed it into merely a managing committee of prisons inside the west bank. this is what the palestinian people have discovered, the same people. are revolting today and snatching up weapons and resistance in a revolution that has only one path, which is liberation from the river to the sea. the saudi officials do not know this, do not study this and do not conclude or feel this, then they will have placed themselves in a dangerous dilem. فيزق خطیر. well, since you mentioned the palestinian authority, we all know that the palestinian authority, according to experience here, does not work for the palestinians, it just exists to protect. israel and that's not me saying it, this is actually the evident in the it was evident in the uh past years when the zionist aggression against the winst bank in specific was accelerating year after year, so muhammad bin salman just throws some cash on the palestinian authority as some sort of hush money to complete the normalization process without any noise,

that was evident when the secretary of the executive committee of the plo hossain sheikh headed a delegation that visited riyad on the 5th of last month where he met with saudi officials to inform them that the palestinian authority, despite... its adherence to the arab peace initiative will not stand in the way of the agreement and will not oppose to saudi position if it had significant financial resources to prevent the pa's collapse. talk about a good business deal, huh? anyways, not a word about establishing a palestinian state, and why would there be since benjamin netanyahu just a week ago announced his complete opposition to the establishment of a palestinian state in exchange for normalization with saudi arabia? all re recent events are clear evidence that riyad is interested in tel aviv and not palestine or al quds, as it claims. saudi arabia already has relations with the israeli occupation, marked by israeli entity companies operating in the kingdom, including those responsible for security during the hash pilgrimage in mecca. the kingdom is now keen on establishing official relat

, but their problems even inside the plo.i think now -- not only because of what is happening on the ground but also israel. they did everything to humiliate the palestinians. the israeli army invaded any spot the authority should be in charge of, including ramallah and we pay taxes to the palestinian authority through israel and israel cuts away a lot of these resources. the solution to this is nothing but unifying all palestinians without exception. you know my stance, i set it a long time ago, what we need is after this war ends is free democratic elections. it will be a pluralistic democratic system through which groups like us can try to do their best to push the direction of democratic transformation, but also would allow palestinians to coexist peacefully in a good political system. at this very moment, sounds -- not only -- israel and the united states all the time refuse that we should have democratic and free elections. it is another form of double standard. amy: dr. mustafa barghouti is speaking to us from ramallah

created back in 64 , the palestine liberation organization or the plo united about 40 combat groups,nity within it. in the gaza strip, the palestinian national authority was formed, all leading positions in it were occupied by the old guard of yasser arafat from the fatah movement. there was also opposition from the younger generation of palestinians, supporters of the muslim brotherhood banned in egypt, who united in the islamic resistance movement, abbreviated in arabic as hamas. inside palestine, they relied on the poorest segments of the population, because un-recognized fatah representatives receive distribute the lion's share of funds from international sponsors. in fact, the only legal source of livelihood for palestinians. fatah functionaries are regularly accused of corruption. by opposing this, the islamists won the support of ordinary palestinians, and, oddly enough, the israeli intelligence services, which supported them in opposition to fatah. charitable and religious activities of the future hamas leader ahmed. his organization al-mujama al-islami received funding from

that was evident when the secretary of the executive committee of the plo hossain sheikh headed a delegation that visited riyad on the 5th of last month where he met with saudi officials to inform that the palestinian authority, despite its adherence to the arab peace initiative, will not stand in the way of the agreement and will not oppose to saudi position if it had significant financial resources to prevent the pa's collapse. talk about a good business deal, huh? anyways, not a word about establishing a palestinian state, and why would there be since benjamin na, just a week ago, announced his complete opposition to the establishment of a palestinian state in exchange. for normalization with saudi arabia, all recent events are clear evidence that riyad is interested in tel aviv and not palestine or alquds as it claims. saudi arabia already has relations the israeli occupation marked by israeli entity companies operating kingdom, including those respon for security during the hash pilgrimmage in mecca. the kingdom is now keen on establishing official relations with the israeli entity in o

the plo abandoned terrorist methods back in the eighty-eighth year, which made it possible to sign thent. hamas, on the contrary, the organizer and spiritual inspirer of hamas, sheikh ahmed yassin, who was confined to a chair from birth, was liquidated in a gas rocket fired from an israeli helicopter in 2004, but then the confrontation between the two sides did not reach open hostility, it began in 2006 after the parliamentary elections. hamas supporters won, but fatah did not give up power. leaders, mahmoud. and ismail hanye agreed to form a coalition government, but the agreement did not last six months, hamas activists carried out a military coup in gaza, and then expelled all fatah leadership structures from the sector. then arafat's supporters moved to ramala, where fatah has since ruled the west bank and hamas has ruled the gaza strip. in israel. have no doubt, hamas is a facade, behind it is the sworn enemy - iran , this is what the iranians have been planning for a long time, they understand that they cannot defeat israel in a direct war, so the tactic is to bleed us dry in con

but there was such alienation and disillusionment with the plo that populations turned to hamas. that has prevented any kind of peace process because the palestinians are divided between the two territories and have very different ideas about how to move forward with israel. >> reporter: while progress toward peace has stalled between israelis and palestinians and a two-state solution seems increasingly unlikely, israel has made peace with several arab countries. why are we seeing this conflict explode again now? >> hamas went to war i think for a variety of reasons. israel was engaged in possible eventual talks with saudi arabia brokered by the united states, which would have been the most important peace process between israel and the arabs because saudi arabia is the guardian of islam's holy places. >> in your view why now? >> because they could. and because we let our guard down, frankly. and we're going to have to address that failure when the smoke clears. >> reporter: michael oren thinks iran's involvement supporting hamas adds to the risk that this conflict will only wide

the plo . the palestinian israel. the plo.recognised israel authority has recognised israel for years. hamas said for 30 years. hamas said anything about recognition at all, we did say earlier, it all, but we did say earlier, it doesn't peter, it doesn't matter, peter, it doesn't matter, peter, it doesn't matter. i agree with a great of what you said great deal of what you said regardless. let's not, you regardless. so let's not, you know, hairs. the plo, know, split hairs. the plo, however, know, have however, you know, they have recognised years. recognised israel for 30 years. and one of the conditions for recognised israel for 30 years. and israelis the conditions for recognised israel for 30 years. and israelis was conditions for recognised israel for 30 years. and israelis was to |ditions for recognised israel for 30 years. and israelis was to notjns for recognised israel for 30 years. andisraelis was to not buildr the israelis was to not build new settlements. they have new settlements. and they have basically built set

when you face an enemy that is killing civilians on both sides and promises to plo blow you off of thee of the earth. i read them. they have almost no application to this. lou wills of war against nas' terrorists? -- nazi terrorists who slaughter your people and say they won't stop until they slaughter all of them. think about this. if the idf had not stopped the hamas terrorist nazis after two days, they would have murdered -- if they could, all 7 million jews, they would have if they could. even before the first tank rolled into gaza, they are told israelis, they need to feed and medicate the palestinians who live in gaza. they don't say that to hamas, because hamas is killing their own people. because ejust ejipgh egypt has blocked their way out, how come they are not admonished. i would never imagine any american president would rearm an irannian nazi regime that threatens our country, and israelis, by allowing it to violate oil sanctions to economic strangle that regime to tune of 70 billion, two week ears two weeks before, act on israel, makes a deal for our hostages for 6 billio

we have as plo control them.o succumbed to the fact that the political reality imposed on us to have peace with the israelis. so we went ahead with political accommodation and for the last 30 years we have been talking about a two state solution and that two state solution. unfortunately lately has been now obliterated by the fact of the israelis building settlements and moving settlers. today we have 750,000 settlers in the west bank and the ongoing occupation , you know, of the occupation, you know, of the daily lives of the palestinians not making it easy by killing them. extrajudicial building settler huts. and what have you had made it worse for the last 13 years, there had been a total stalemate in the peace process . stalemate in the peace process. yes. since the advent of netanyahu , nothing happened on netanyahu, nothing happened on the ground . and we still, you the ground. and we still, you know, hope for a two state solution, a two state solution cannot really be, in fact, implemented if we have non c

are growing that are actually taking up arms and despite the fact that many of them were part of the plo, the palestinian liberation organization which went towards the diplomatic uh route um still now they are taking up arms in light of seeing the continuous atrocities against the palestinian people um he uh said that we suggested uhyan said that we suggested that we hold a quick meeting uh for the oic um in order to look on the issue of the crimes against humanity that are being committed by the israeli occupation and that there needs to be a steps that are taking to stop this plotched and we need to he said collect all the documents, everything that shows and proves the crimes of the um of the... the israeli occupation in order to send it to the international organizations uh to work on that realm so basically he's working diplomatic on one side and also working when it comes to humanitarian issues which seems to be now very significant issue that we need to work on in order to stop the bloodshed at least you have uh just um witnesses right now talking about whole families under the r

, in 1877 the plo was merged, that is, gorbachev said: that’s it, i no longer support you, which meansnald reagan’s plan is put forward, such a famous road map, yeah. then there were a lot of road maps, when the goal seems to be replaced, and we are moving where, unknown, then, by the way , there was a nobel prize, which means, as it were, well, i won’t remember all this now, the point is , that the substitution of concepts, yes, regarding the fact that there should have been a palestinian state, that there should have been to be israeli, it was carried out, again, at the initiative of the united states of america, and it was really an ostrich-like policy in a sense, very vile in a sense, because in fact, over time they just wanted to blur and blur this kind of problem , you see that the territories that were even allocated for autonomy, for fhat, and even now the gaza sector, they were constantly shrinking, shrinking, it was a slow process of squeezing out the palestinians and so on and so on, secondly, today in the sector gas at least 2.5 million people live there, in fact there coul

, state solution, whereas the plo, the has had and want one the plo has had and want one today.certain that the outcome of this today. michael the outcome of this today, this terrible battle that's going on right now as as we opine on it, not that anybody gives a stuff about what the uk thinks as we opine on it actually will be aa2 state solution is more likely than ever before. i need to i need to drill down on this because i need to get clarity in my head. >> and i think my viewers would appreciate the clarity as well. thatis appreciate the clarity as well. that is an interesting history. we can debate, you know, whatever perspectives on it. but in the and now in the in the here and now in the uk, hamas proscribed as you know, hamas is proscribed as you know, in its entirety as a terrorist organisation. and do you share that? do ascription only if we apply the same term to the israeli government. >> and i want to explain myself when i say that because i know that will be controversial to lots of your viewers, really be i know be controversial to explain. >> shocking thing to s

. >> what it ultimately resulted in was the plo recognized the state of israel and so conceded 78% of the land of historic palestine and in return the israeli government recognized the plo as the sole legitimate representative of the palestinian people. there was jubilation globally and many palestinians despite this historic concession believed this might pave the way to the establishment of a state on 22% of their land. but this was by no means noncontroversial or unchallenged. for hamas specifically this was something that they were fundamentally opposed to. >> those negotiations never really got off the ground. one of the reasons was this up surge of violence. >> one of the deadliest attacks to derail peace came in february of 1994 just months after the signing and historic white house photo op. >> a jewish settler entered the mosque while muslims were worshiping there. dozens of dead and scores of injured were rushed to hospitals in nearby towns. >> that was a turning point because hamas then decided to begin employing suicide bombing as a form of resistance. >> reporter: 41 days

and so that has been okay with israel, the united states, the palestinian authority, the plo, and egypt and jordan and everybody else. but i think at this point, any additional aid to hamas takes on a very different tinge. and they give them a lot of support beyond that. as i say, they have almost all of the political leadership of hamas living there as close and trusted friends. that's a problem now. i mean, they may be protected by the pentagon and by this base that they pay for and gave to the united states, but it's going to be tricky. they're going to be in a tough spot. >> israel has indicated that it will launch a ground incursion. it's ready to proceed with that. >> yeah. >> is it walking into a trap? >> well, i've written that from the very beginning. and i think it is. i think hamas wants exactly that. hamas engaged in an act of spectacular overkill. when terrorist groups or insurgent groups to that, they're trying to provoke an emotional overreaction by the targeted power, by the stronger, dominant power. to get them to inflict on themselves damage and a blow that the insurge

the plo remains in control on the west bank.an authority is weak, the palestinian authority is not well regarded by its own civilian population, a population which is now looking at gazza and at hamas with a mixture of horror and admiration. they have an ability to confront israel, so none of this is good for management bass. none of this is good for the palestinian authority. his imaginal authority in the terms of this. he is trying to make sure this doesn't escalate to the west bank, doesn't escalate to lebanon, iran who is the back of both the lebanese militants of his brother, there is a realfear international community that it could second other players. i international community that it could second other players. i think we have time _ could second other players. i think we have time for— could second other players. i think we have time forjust _ could second other players. i think we have time forjust one - could second other players. i think we have time forjust one more . we have time forjust one more briefly, another

1982, where israel fought with states, in particular with syria, fought with lebanon, even then the ploe also somehow took part there , this is no longer in dispute, their losses were 608... people, this lasted for almost six months, here there are 220 people in four days, and i understand them, well, why in under these conditions, is it still possible to bully hezbullah? iranians, well, this all really smacks of some kind of absolutely colossal provocation, yes, and, i say again, i used, well, probably, probably not very politically correct at the time, on one of your programs you have an image of the middle east, like voroni and slobodki, but already ruins they’re still trying to burn out this conflagration, there’s already enough of everything there, but i’ll tell you this, of course, and i agree that the americans decided to play in controlled chaos, and they really believe that they can control it, at the same time, we all understand that controlled chaos can only be controlled by a very strong, very strong actor, as we will accept it, a very strong subject, internally undivided, a

i have some personal experience in with the palestinian peoples. i was there back in 1970, when the plohad conference in jordan, that's been in lebanon and jordan, syria, turkey and then occupied palestine and then i went back doing the persian gulf war, and so i went. it's the long history of the slaughter and the slow genocide against the palestinian peoples. now i recognize the the horrible conditions that the israeli. people have suffered over the years uh mainly at the hands of the europeans, the genocide um attempt and the the jews, is a horrible, horrible history, but the the arab people did not cause that problem, and unfortunately they have been the victims of this uh attempt to find homeland for the the jewish people, now "there's something that the world needs to know about the thinking in the united states, many of the leaders here, regardless of the political party, still have the belief that the white settler government, the white settler regimes in in western europe, former colonies, colonial countries, the white settler regime here in north america, which slaughtered the

was a great hero in pakistan, long time back and the plo and hamas have tremendous support, the prime minister of pakistan has given very strong statements in favor of the palestinians, the forum minister has called israel out and has even used strong language as as genocide being committed and ethnic cleansing being committed, so that was expected he was: nawaz sharif who just came back a third time prime minister you know he has given very strong statement, i mean the political leadership is united across the board, left, right, center, the islamic parties obviously are very strongly supportive of of the palestinian cause, but that's about it, and nothing more, i mean all that has happened is the declarations and support of israel, and promising that they are going to send in aid and they have not done it as yet, so there is very big disappointment on that score, more much more was expected from pakistan and i think the government of pakistan has not delivered you, i mean pois declarations in oic, in in you know media, that is nothing new, but what was expected was that some concret

clearly, the west bank right now, the occupied west bank is under control of the plo, which is not using violence. we cannot just use an awful organization like hamas that has committed war crimes a a justifications -- as a justification for hurting tens of thousands of civilians. we prepared to pay the price of having tens of thousands of deaths in gaza. they are for achieving a political end. that political end will not ring about any outcome that you remember. this is a population that is mostly made up of refugees and descendants of refugees who left their homes in central israel. if you witnessed the bombings and you felt guilt -- whether or not it is about hamas, what will happen to the young people who will grow up next? what will happen after you destroy hamas? the president of the united states has the most influence with the parties on the ground, he needs to go beyond hearts at the moment, he needs to be sober. host: as we know, president biden is headed to israel today. he will be there tomorrow in meetings. we are expecting a statement from the president as well. the phone l

watch also found official curriculum from last year's celebrating dlal marobi, in 1978 she led plo massacre that left israelis dead. 13 of her victims were children. another piece of propaganda written for ninth graders, described the firebombing of a jewish bus as a barbecue party, one unrwa assigned boys anti-semitic poetry that urged the students to expel israelis with blood and flesh from palestinian. all of this was subsidized by the american taxpayer. hamas is responsible for the october 7 massacre in israel, but anyone who believes that hamas is a solo actor is willfully ignorant. they have support. and right now biden's foreign policy is providing much of that support not only through the money pipeline but through his absolute refusal to keep iran in check. this isn't just a u.s. problem, it's a worldwide problem that we will not solve until the money stops flowing and hamas is eradicated. minoritily at least when it comes to unrwa, accountability is built in. global governments provide that funding, which means we can take it away. the u.s. needs to step up and lead. i have introd