when good people don't help you you go to ask for help for be >> let's bring in president of ploughshares member of secretary of state hillary clinton international security advisory board and the council on foreign relations. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> are you arguably created by our failure to step in and help the free syrian army. is that a fair critique of what happened. >> it is grim and it will get worse. it might get worse for several more months. or even a year or so. there is not a good solution out there. for those who thought the solution was to heavily army the rebels, this report in "the new york times" should be sobering news, indeed. it turns out that our allies in saudi arabia and qatar are funneling some of these weapons to extremely islamic groups. groups that they hope to seek favor with. you might think of this as hedging their arm groups that they believe they might be able to control, but this is not a prospect that the united states a wants to see at all. >> eliot: the question that the article raised with me and the legitimate fear that the arms fun

. >> bill: joe cirincione is our guest from the ploughshares fund >> announcer: this is the "full courtill: 26 minutes after the hour. education, education important issue. didn't come up directly in the last presidential debate. but both mitt romney and barack obama did bring it in. steven morgan is a professor of social sciences at cornell university in studio with us. good to see you again. and author of the new paper looking at the consequences of international comparisons for public support of k-12 education. where can people find this? >> it is in an academic journal called educational researcher. unless you're one of the 30,000 members of the educational research association -- i'm sure you have some -- it will be on your desk if you're one of the 30,000. if not, you can get to it online but you might have to pay a little bit. >> bill: peter any comments -- >> at bp show. we did get a comment from barkway who says what romney would offer students are high-interest private loans to keep them on the debt wheel their entire lives. so that's one aspect of mitt romney's education plan

. >> bill: joe cirincione is our guest from the ploughshares fund >> obama: we have fewer ships thannature of our military's changed. we have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >> bill: president obama -- pointing out some obvious fact to mitt romney who apparently doesn't know we also have these ships that go underwater that are called submarines. paul singer from "usa today" in studio with us. peter, what you got -- people are talking on facebook and twitter. >> we're tweeting at bpshow at bpshow. on the tape we just played about the -- before the break. there's not much difference between the two of them. one person says you should ask al-qaeda if they think there isn't much difference between romney and president obama. favorite line of mitt romney at the debate was attacking me is not an agenda. every time that obama leveled a charge at mitt romney. he would say that. jim johnston says attacking me is not on the agenda. wasn't he at a debate? he didn't punch you, sir. he was questioning your foreign polic