in a moment, we will speak to joe cirincione, the president of plowshares fund in washington.'re going first to christine in hawaii. talk about what you think north korea did this week. hi, amy, thanks for having me. we don't know. we will not get independently verified assessments of whether or not north korea did succeed in a hydrogen bomb will stop as you noted, there are lots of skepticism about whether they did in fact achieve in building and testing hydrogen bomb. what i think this signals more than anything, we do know for certain that this is a complete failure of the obama administration's strategic patience, which is really just about waiting and seeing and waiting for the north korean regime to collapse. and what is really important for our listeners and u.s. audience to understand is that north korea did this test as a direct message to the united states, that they want -- i mean, it is a really bizarre way to extend a message, but they are unable to get the u.s. attention any other way. and they want to sit down and have talks. and what is important to understand