you don't want to take all that money and spend it in the plumbinging, the walls, the wires and then cheap it out at the end where you're running out of money and going to put up the cheapest cabinets you can find. that's exactly opposite. what you want to do is have the stuff you can see, that you have to live with every day, be the quality that you are looking for ultimately. and i see that where people say, i'll paint my house myself. i can save money thope paint. oh, my god, it looks terrible, they spent all many money on the remodel. another thing, little things like this beautiful little crown molding that goes around the cabinets, costs almost nothing compared with the cost of the whole job and makes all the appearance difference. the bottom line appearance is where -- and function of course, but appearance, don't cheap out the appearance. what do you think about people trying to save money by doing it thems or doing some of it themselves? >> i think it's a disaster. and it's not that it takes brain surgery to do a kitchen, but they're complicated enough and there's a lot of t