. >> there is hope for a pluralistic america i find, very optimistic man, delightful, dr. eric gruen emeritus professor from berkeley, thank you for your time, sir. >> my pleasure. >> hope you have enjoyed this as much as we have and ron wisher will be back with you -- ron swisher will be back with you next month. i'm hugh burroughs -- burrows. bye-bye. >>> chitchatting away here. welcome to bay sunday. i'm your host frank mallicoat. if you've got an idea, we'd love to hear from you, go to cbssf.com, click on connect and scroll down to bay sunday and we can chat. >>> the canfest center for asian-american media once known as the san francisco asian- american film fest festival kicks off on thursday on an 11 day run in the bay area. some of the nation's top asian filmmakers, actresses, musicians, chefs are all going to be here in the city celebrating a new wave of creative women and men in the industry as well and we've got their festival director and a filmmaker with us, pleased to welcome them. how are you? >> good. thank you. >> welcome, jennifer, aboard. >> thank you so

>> shouldn't there be enough space in a society as mr pluralistic and free as america is to be able toof these things out in a way that everybody can be who they are, and carry on their activities? i'm thinking for example when we talk about changing the definition of marriage. there is going to have to be a lot of adjusting, because the whole world has always understood marriage is the word you use to describe when a man and a woman commit to each other for the rest of their lives, and, generate and educate children. once you change that arbitrarily, there is going to be downstream from that, all kinds of questions. we're going to have to deal with them one by one as we come to them and that is why the church keeps saying, make room for everyone's faith. the only thing i worry about is someone saying to see, you, because you believe that sex is intended for marriage, and because you believe that marriage is indissolvable and is between a man and a woman, that how you don't belong here. that somehow, this is bigotry or this is hate speech. that is what i worry about. there has to be ro

america's most controversial columnist." >> that was the triumph of the public relations department. i would not say that about myself, although i get some very wonderful mail and letters to the editor from tolerant, pluralistic, open-minded, pro-academic, freedom liberals who say such things as, "volunteer yourself for brain trauma experiments, you sadistic creep." >> why do you think they wanted to say "america's most controversial columnist"? >> oh, it's part of the hype. i'm in 350 papers in all 50 states, and most editors gratefully respond that they get more mail on my column, pro and con, than all of their other columnists. so, as you know, one of the premiere things in the information or communications business is to get people to read or watch you. and if you don't have that, you don't have anything. so i deal with the cultural, get people to read or watch you and if you don't have that you don't have anything. i deal with the cultural, morali ethical, political dimensions that seem to rile people up the most and get the most controversy going, so i guess that's why they said it. c-span: the foreword is written by rush limbaugh. >> guest: up-and-coming dcsayingter.or rush was very generous in sayint