islam in indonesia is a tolerant islam, a pluralist islam, a moderate islam. see that, that there will be small problems. i think a country the size of indonesia with 250 million people, 17,000 islands, 714 ethnic groups, it is a huge country. haslinda: and yet despite the fact that moderate islam is in indonesia's dna, we saw religion play a big part in the jakarta elections. surely it must be a concern. surely it is something you need to look at. president widodo: that is not a religious issue. it was a political issue. it is different. the issue in the jakarta governor election was an issue of politics, not an issue of religion. islam in indonesia is a tolerant islam, a pluralistic islam, a modern islam, a moderate islam. haslinda: there have been suggestions that perhaps the religious schools may be producing some of those people who end up going to syria, for instance, to join the islamic state. if you take a look at the data, the statistics, there are about 1000 of them, and 500 have gone to syria to fight for the islamic state. what are your views on th