you said -- the pluske is so instructional. i say it is the first info tainment.en selling cosmetics but in the old days, guys on the street would make up the songs. >> which side are you on? >> the king or queen or the circumstances they lived in. that was information as well as it was entertaining to the people. so folk music is -- pretty powerful, pretty powerful medicine for changing your heart. >> what -- what do your progressive roots come from? >> same as noel except my mother was born -- she was a schoolteacher for 30 years. she was a member, when it was considered bad to be a member of -- of what is it? >> the teacher's union. >> the teacher's union. >> it is true. don't laugh. >> you could get fired for that. >> well, not -- but you know manned parenthood, you know. she was a progressive from the word go. and she -- she absolutely lived that -- that point of view and mary would go -- if you're a jewish kid from new york, it takes your background. mary went and then -- went to the white house with other teenagers when the rosenburgs were set to be execute