it is right up through the plutocratic union model that we have today. you can go back to 1789, 1787, and fast for to the present. >> i would be interested in hearing what you have to say about the german education system and how school students and the very young age are separated into college -bound or trade-bound and how this can in that being a fairly racist approach to education. i lived in germany for a long time and treated minority students from turkey or sit assyria, or morocco. it seems as if they were just completely programs to head into very low paying jobs and there was nothing that they or there families could do to change that. >> well, there are three tracking systems. one is the university. the other is the vocational, and the third is the other. the real problem is who gets an the other. >> at what age? >> those are not permanent decisions. there is some back-and-forth. i can only tell you what people told me. you may have a different experience of it. the tracking in the united states is also rigorous. i am representing right now the