number one, it means herbalife welcome plz icahn to the board and welcomes him to the process of creatingreholders so that's incredibly important. second, not sure whether you can say for sure that mr. icahn has special knowledge as of this point but fairly soon he'll have special knowledge, and i think that will do a lot to make shareholders a whole lot more comfortable, particularly if the special knowledge is followed up with further share purchases. >> what does this mean for ackman? >> well, i think ackman's position has been eroding dramatically. i mean, there's been some great research published recently that has shown that the basic tenet of his argument is just wrong. i think, you know, it's very clear that his interpretation of what a pyramid scheme is and how herbalife applies to that analysis is just wrong. and, you know, i would think that he's -- he's got to think hard about covering. >> thank you very much for joining us, tim ramey. herbalife is currently up by 6.5%. >> coming up after the break, the car chasers. two guys, two hot cars, one desperate anchor. something's goi