the cash flow projection more than it is a pnl. >> this is a budget projection based on revenues. ifd is not included in this projection. >> in terms of your general terminology, so i'm clear. >> we used the payment obligation for the bond or for the obligation for c.o.p. -- it is an expense. >> i know you are all conscious and have done a great job to be diligent about the capital needs, which we are all aware of, which we are going to see in the next presentation. i have some questions about understanding more about what is driving how you come up with the revenue projections. then i have a couple of questions on the cost side as well. your average increase is the same in terms of -- you have -- i wonder if you are using an average increase or whether you are doing a bottoms up -- looking at what is coming up for renewal, what the market rate is. i wonder if there is a way for us to get a picture of what are the major leases coming up in the next five years, those between five and 10 and those above 10. >> we do a bottoms up approach where we look at the entire portfolio to see

good assessment of their own internal kochts and as someone who looks at, you know, our business is pnls pretty closely, my sense is that without knowing those costs, you know, for human resources, et cetera. that's a big component. >> let me ask you this. if there's no handle -- if there's no realization of the cost, as you said, does any comparison even stand up, then if the numbers are not the same? >> in my mind, no. >> okay. women i yield back and, again, thank you all for your service to the country and as you well know, the most important thing question do is to make sure that every veteran is served properly. so thanks again for what you do. >> i thank the gentleman for yielding back and go to our colleague from michigan. >> thank you, gentlemen, for coming and testifying today. i just have a couple questions. mr. orace, are the members, are the people that work at the va, are they moneys of your association too jie mean do they have the same access to the same prosthetics as the people on the outside? >> yes, she should. >> because they should. >> because one of the questions i