is that a reference to john podesta? >> yes.nd this was the main point of contention with the special counsel. i maintain that i figured that out. now, special counsel couldn't believe that. they said dr. corsi, we have e-mails you knew it was podesta, you knew how he was going to drop him in october. i said yes, that's true. how did you know? i figured it out. >> so you tell roger stone about podesta. he goes on to predict it and tweet about it. this is roger stone saying he had an intermediary. >> i have not met with mr. assange and never said i had. i said we communicated through somebody who is a mutual friend. >> the main thing that links roger to assange with private intelligence with things that no one else seemed to know at the time is podesta, and that came from you. could you be roger's intermediary? >> i'm sure. but it was not because i talked to assange, because i figured it out on my own. i've never spoken with julian assange. i don't know him, and i have no contact. there was no third party who said roger stone got

is that a reference to john podesta? >> yes.nd this was one of the main points of contention with the special counsel. i maintain and it's my best recollection that i figured that out. now, special counsel couldn't believe that. they said dr. corsi, we have e-mails, you knew it was podesta. you knew he was going to drop him in october. and how he was going to drop him. you knew almost what they included. i said yes, that's true. how did you know? i figured it out. >> so you tell roger stone about podesta and he tweets about it. this was roger stone saying he had an intermediary. >> i have not met with mr. sa . assange. i said we communicated through an intermediary. >> the main thing that links him is pa disodespodesta. could you be roger's intermediary? >> sure. but it was not because i talked to assange, but because i figured it out on my own. i have never spoken to julian assange. i don't know him and i have no contact that i was an intermediary, there was no third party who said roger stone has got this. >> but you were maki

at the venn diagram, tony podesta is a brother of john podesta who ran a ran hillary clinton's campaignn 2016. tony podesta obviously wasn't levying with the ukraine, and what i find interesting is that we are hearing again this is becoming very active just a couple of days before the sentencing memos. we look at timing with the data points to see if there is a method with the madness. there is shoe on both part know mike feet, so the republicans and democrats are under the microscope for the foreign lobbying. >> you started your lengthy day, and it showed up on capitol hill with a day full of questioning there. i can't emphasize enough, and that was an interview that was transcribed under oath because there was such little trust. the focus was handling of the constant email case, as we already know from the inspector general he did not follow procedures. james comey came out at the end and he said, i disagree with what the republicans say and i answer the questions, i didn't think there was any abuse of getting a surveillance warrant for the trump campaign. and there was a transcript a

my contention that he briefed me on the podesta brothers' lucrative business dealings in ukraine and russia prior to my iconic august 21, 2016 tweet, in which i said, let's get it right this time, the podesta brother'' time in the barrel will come, is both accurate and entirely supported by email and text message records. the contention that the memo he subsequently gave me regarding the podesta brothers' business dealings was written as some kind of cover-up both defies logic and the written record. cover-up of what? there was no controversy in the wake of my tweet for six weeks. there was no social media chatter, there was no media coverage, there was no mueller investigation, there was no congressional investigation. there were no subpoenas. so cover-up of what? mr. schiff and his colleagues are engaging in frivolous semantics, shifty word games and nonmaterial hairsplitting in a shameless bid for partisan advantage. if mr. schiff has any proof whatsoever that i had advance notice of the source with -- or the content of the allegedly glee -- hacked or stolen emails published by wi

of who everyone is, tony podesta is the brother of john podesta who ran hillary clinton's campaign, he was also doing lobbying with ukraine along with manafort and we had indications of a referral in spring of this year. what i find interesting is we are hearing this becoming active a couple days before the sentencing memos. i like to see if there is a method to the madness. it is emphasis now to send a signal from the special counsel that the shoe is on both feet, republicans and democrats are under the microscope for the 4 lobbying. >> you started very lengthy day as a former fbi director james comey, pretty combative. >> i can't emphasize enough how unusual it is for former fbi director to be called to capitol hill for an interview transcribed under oath because there is such little trust between the sides. the focus was the handling of the sensitive email case. as we know he did not follow standard procedures and the russia investigation. james comey set i disagree, answer the questions, didn't think there was any abuse, but the great thing is there's a transcript and it could g

now it looks like they are proceeding against people like podesta.s interesting about podesta. >> laura: he was offered immunity. >> he wasn't given transactional but he was offered immunity. >> laura: more limited. >> since then, manafort didn't speak with them a great deal. there's a possibility that manafort did drop a dime on people like podesta. >> laura: i think for mueller's case, if he's laying out some case against some member of the trump, you know, circle, if he seems to be a little bit more evenhanded and how he kind of throws out the judgment or the facts, it will be better for the overall credibility of the report perhaps. >> i think it will be but the problem is, if this is how it ends, it's going to be rather underwhelming. it's like going around and shooting the wounded. these are not significant crimes. they may be perfectly appropriate to proceed for, and certainly refer, but this is not what we've all been waiting for. maybe he will prove to be the agatha christie prosecutor and in the final scene we find out all the characters, t

that would be john podesta's brother. john podesta the clinton campaign chair. nothing. now we're talking about in the manafort case. tax evasion, other charges. bank loan applications dating back to 2007. white house press secretary sarah sanders issued this statement. said "the government's filing in mr. manafort's case is nothing about the president. it says even less about collusion. it's devoted almost entirely to lobbying-related issues and i'll add long before paul manafort ever met donald trump." also breaking today, two separate sentencing memos were filed against michael cohen. first, the southern district of northern completely rejecting cohen's pleas for leniency writing that a substantial term of imprisonment is warranted and then the memo says cohen's decision to plead guilty rather than seek a pardon for his crimes does not make him a hero. in exchange for cohen's guilty plea, the prosecutor's recommended only a slight reduction to the suggested five-year prison sentence. the next memo from the special counsel, that focused on cohen admitting that he lied

they came out of the dnc server than were no podesta emails on there.dy who got on that server would have seen podesta's emails. that would be the mother lode. anybody worth their salt would take that first. i thought assange had podesta's emails and we drop them october to dominate the news cycle and that's what he did. but what i did was connect the dots. trish: you weren't orchestrating it the way mueller's team thinks you have. >> they are convinced i have a source. jenny reid ridiculed my belief in god. she said dr. corsi you are asking to us believe on this international flight with your family you had divine intervention, and god told you assange had podesta's emails. i said i'm not thrilled you want to ridicule god. but i figured it out. i don't know julian assange, i never met him, i never even communicated with him or anyone who could have tide me to him. that's what i do. trish: i bet they got his, too. you were taking a gamble on that. >> i made it sounds like i had inside sources when i'd told roger. since i was a kid my dad says when you f

the contention that the memo he gave me recording the podesta brothers dealings written as coverup defies logic of the records. coverup of what? there was no controversy in the wake of my tweet for six weeks. there was no social media chatter. there was no media coverage. there was no mueller investigation. there was no congestional investigation. there were no subpoenas. so coverup of what? mr. schiff and his colleagues are engaging in frivolous semantics, shifty word games and nonmaterial hair-splitting in a shameless bid for partisan advantage. if mr. schiff has any proof whatsoever that i had advanced notice of the source or the content of the allegedly hacked or stolen e-mails published by wikileaks or that i received anything of the kind, i challenge him to produce it now or shut up. [applause] >> just as in his previous claim to have been -- to have seen substantial evidence of russian collusion with the trump campaign and producing none, the congressman is completely full of sh-- i was extraordinarily proud of the president's tweet. i'm prouder still of the president who is making

it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel.later stone asks corsi for help to create a, quote, alternative explanation for podesta's tweet. now this key date of october 7th, talk to any person in clinton world and this date is zeroed seared in their memory. 3:29 p.m. they send out a statement on russia's ties to hacked e-mails. 4:03 p.m. same date, washington post david faranthol says the "access hollywood" stap released. 29 minutes later, october 27th, 4:32 p.m. wikileaks begins releasing podesta's e-mails on a daily basis. then donald trump started saying this. >> this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. i love reading those wikileaks. they've got to start talking about wikileaks. the wonder of wikileaks. we love wikileaks. boy, they have really -- wikileaks. they have revealed a lot. wikileaks. wikileaks. that came out on wikileaks. this wikileaks stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the inner heart. you've got to read it. >> joining me now is msnbc legal analyst dahna is a vallos and nyra hack both coming back to the

and podesta's emails were missing. whoever got into that server had to have seen podesta's emails. and i was sure those were the ones being rye served for -- reserved for the october surprise. it was assange-stone, assange-stone. trish: you said i figured this out. >> they said we don't want to hear your logic or narratives. anything i had to say that was contrary to mueller's preconceived notion they didn't want to hear. they made it a horror show for me with this 8-inch thick bind were my name on it. they wouldn't let me see what's in it. i gave them my cell phone, and my time machine and computer. i felt like an american prisoner in the korean war. trish: you are there to cooperate, they say you don't have the answer we want. >> they don't believe you. dr. corsi, it's impossible you figured this out. j.d. reid actually ridiculed me. one of the special prosecutors who represented hillary in her email cases and the clinton foundation. she said you are asking to us believe on this trip to italy with your wife and family for your 25th wedding anniversary you had divine inspiration.

and then podesta. of the three major stories that day, which one had legs? the podesta e-mails.he podesta e-mails became the story that basically shaped the narrative until director comey came out on 10/28. so 10/7 to 10/28, 21 days, throughout the debate season, throughout that entire period, that shaped the political narrative, and if you look at the polls, hillary's numbers kept dropping and dropping and dropping, and finally at that last debate and then comey, donald trump. i referred to it in my book as the day that we got hit by an 18-wheeler. >> there are a couple of things that have come out of 2016 as well. a change in the rules for superdelegates. >> yes. >> you've been a superdelegate for a long time. >> i still am. >> now, in 2020, superdelegates will not be able to vote in the first round of voting in the convention when nominating the democratic party nominee. how will this affect the caliber or the kind of nominee the democratic party will put forward to beat donald trump? >> i am still opposed. i would have eliminated superdelegates as a category of delegates ver

you have tony podesta, with paul manafort's partner in the ukraine situation who missed his work andchristopher steele, the person who invested the dossier, an unregistered foreign agent, robbing doj officials on behalf of the kremlin connected russian all a dark who hasn't been charged, there was a criminal referral almost a year ago lying to the fbi or any other problems. there is a wide breadth of election interference and a lot had to do with the clinton campaign secretly funneling money to a russian connected group and getting information from kremlin affiliated people. heather: we heard alan dershowitz say you have to be fair, to prosecute one set, you have to do it across the board and give the american people confidence if you do. >> that is why we are talking about having a justice system that is fair and blind, the situation provides the narrative of all smoke, no guns. what we continue to see with this russian narrative, everything is about russia. even russian salad dressing is connected to donald trump and what we have seen is no evidence of the sort. what is particularl

tony podesta who was working with paul manafort which was a separate issue and john podesta who was close clinton had business relationships with the russians as well but as i said this justice department whether it be the deep state or whatever is all about getting donald trump and protecting hillary clinton. about time the clinton foundation come up for review. i'm glad this took place because most americans don't know about the corruption that has been uncovered as relates to the clintons. we had two other witnesses yesterday testify. they talk to insiders of the clinton foundation that have concerns. one of the conclusions i drew and they drew was maybe the clinton foundation should have been registered under foreign agents registration act which is used to target and harass donald trump and his team. the clintons get a pass. heather: they were not registered. >> they were not but they were acting on behalf of foreign governments it looks like and raises questions whether the law should apply to them. heather: this is the first show you are able to be on following your testimony from

podesta's were missing. i knew the server had podesta's emails on it.hat had to be what assange had in reserve. i figured that out. it was speculation. the pegs prosecutor said you couldn't have done that on your own. and i said i did. trish: they are saying you couldn't possibly. as we piece together this logic. it's a logical conclusion. you and i talked about this. so they had all these emails, but he wasn't there so that made you think -- >> it made me think basically the special prosecutors were not underred in my testimony. they had a preset narrative. if i gave them what they wanted, they were happy. but if i couldn't, because i don't know assange, and i can't connect roger to assange. suddenly imgoing to prison for the rest of my life. >> they could walk in right now and arrest me. if i get indicted. i'll fight this to my death. because this is not justice. this is not america. i went in to cooperate. i told them the truth. i'm 72 years old. i never committed a crime and suddenly i'm look at prison for the rest of my life. my crime is i supporte

the podesta group did come too.e lastai election, the podesta group was hired by a "yes," the saudis, to lobby the u.s. government. in 2017, the podesta group earned nearly $2 million in that contract alone. meanwhile, the democratic lobbying firm did almost as well from those audis. they made a $700,000 just last year and another $600,000 from the saudis this year before bad publicity forced them to end the contract. but nobody, maybe in the world, try to cash in like ari emanuel whose talent agency cut a deal to receive $400 million in investment from the saudi government. this april, ari emanuel cohosted a dinner in l.a. for the crown prince, the one who apparently ordered khashoggi's murder. jeff bezos from amazon was there, of course. here is a "vanity fair" described that evening. topics that were deemed off limits included the prince's bombing campaign in yemen which has b killed thousands of civilians, the objection of the prime minister in november, and the repression of independent media and journalists, o

now it looks like they're proceeding against podesta. >> laura: he was offered immunity wasn't he?oh wasn't given transactional. >> laura: more limited. >> that's right. and since then manafort did speak with them a great deal. there is a possibility that manafort did drop a dime on people like pod esta. >> laura: i think for mueller's case if he's laying out some case against some member of the trump circle, if he has -- if he seems to be a little bit more evenhandeded in how he kind of throws out the judgment or the facts, it will be better for the overall credibility of the report, perhaps? >> i think it will be. but the problem is, if this is how it ends it's going to be rather under when he ming. this is like going around and shooting the wounded. these are not significant crimes. th they may be certainly appropriate to proceed and receiver, but we've not been waiting for this. maybe he'll prove to be the ago good afternoon that christie prosecutor, we'll find out all the things they didn't tell us before in the final scene. if not there will be a lot of disappointed folks in

incorrect in the basis of speculation my contention and prior to my iconic tweet in which i said with the podesta brothers it is accurate and supported by e-mail and text message records. the contention with those business dealings was defying logic in the written record. cover-up of what? there was no controversy for six weeks there was no social media chatter there was no mueller investigation there was no congressional investigation. so the cover-up of what? mister schiff and his colleagues are participating in shifty word games with nonmaterial hairsplitting with a shameless bid if mister schiff has any proof whatsoever that i had it vance notice of the source of the stolen e-mails or that i received anything of the kind , i challenge you to produce it now or shut up. [applause] just as in his previous claim to see russian collusion and the congressman is completely full of t3. i was proud of the presidents tweet but i am prouder still to stand with the president who makes america great again. [applause] four.2 million new jobs unemployment at the lowest point since 1969 african-american and

what we've been seeing in the background here is that there is an investigation looking at tony podesta and his lobbying work and the former -- i believe the white house counsel under the obama administration, greg craig. one of the questions republicans have had, is it only going to look at republican lobbying efforts and they would look at democrats. >> tucker: manafort was working with tony podesta for quite some time. catherine herridge, thank you. >> thanks for breaking it down. >> tucker: there's a lot. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: see you again. alan dershowitz is a retired and imminent professor at harvard. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. all of this is coming out as we're reporting it and hard to assess. but i want to get to the core allegations once again. so you heard catherine herridge say repeatedly that the special counsel said that michael cohen is in contact with the russians at various points. how would that be criminal? under what circumstances would that be criminal, do you think? >> well, only be criminal if, for example -- this is a hypothetical -- the c

i don't think donald trump had anything to do with the hacking of podesta and the dnc e-mails.ant to know what russia did because we need to defend ourselves. >> let's go around, trish? >> we need to know. mafrns deserve to n-- americans deserve to know. i go back to this dossier. who is to say that vladmir putin didn't get wind of that and plant things in that particular dossier? who is to say there wasn't the same kind of dossier on hillary clinton? i believe that dossier referred to there being one on her and everybody else out there. we have no idea. if i'm robert mueller, i would actually want to get to the bottom of what the russians did. instead, we're going off on this tangent and that tangent and we have lost all focus. that is not healthy. it is not the right thing for the country. it is not the right thing for the president to have that kind of distraction. i am amazed that he is getting anything productive done. you have to hand it to him and his administration for the successes that they have had. that's a big distraction. >> a big distraction from other things but

be on the other foot and they would look at democrats. >> tucker: manafort was working with tony podesta and representing these foreign interests. >> tucker: catherine herridge, thank you. >> thanks for breaking it down. >> tucker: alan dershowitz is of course a retired and eminent law professor at harvard, he's author of the book the case against impeaching trump. he joins us tonight. professor thank you very much for coming on. all of this is coming out as we're reporting it and it's hard to assess s i just want to get to the core allegations once again. you heard catherine herridge say repeatedly that the special counsel says that michael cohen is in contact with the russians at various points. how would that be criminal? under what circumstances would that be criminal, do you think? >> well it would only be criminal if for example, this is hey hypothetical, the campaign or president trump or somebody in his behalf offered putin a penthouse apartment at the top of the tower in exchange for getting a permit to build the tower. that would be arguably criminal under the federal corrupt p

john podesta, the chairman of the clinton campaign in 2016.or taking a few minutes. >> thanks, steve. >>> in just a few minutes, the case of donald trump's former campaign chairman will go back before a judge in washington. today paul manafort's lawyers are expected to argue that manafort never intentionally lied to prosecutors. in a sentencing memo filed last friday, mueller alleged manafort had broken his plea agreement by not being truthful about his contacts with russians and not being forthcoming about continued contact with the administration. manafort's attorneys plan to file a response to mueller this week. joining the nbc news national security and justice reporter, julia ainsley. what can we expect out of that court appearance today? >> reporter: so steve, i'll be coming into this courthouse in just a few minutes. it looks like it would be a routine scheduling conference. judge amy burman jackson scheduled this for today, but the reason there may be more news here is the defense requested to move it up. this was originally supposed t

he said it is soon to be podesta's time in the barrel right before, of course, his e-mails were releasedhe has denied having any contacts with wikileaks. he has denied he had any role there, but the more we learn, the more we -- i at least become concerned that he wasn't being honest with the committee. >> there's a suggestion, congressman, that mueller probably already has an unofficial transcript much roger stone's testimony before your house intelligence committee but now wants an official transcript. what does it say to you? >> well, again, i am not -- i don't know if, in fact, that has -- if that has happened, but obviously -- and i'm not quite sure where he would get an unofficial transcript, but if that is true and if an official transcript has been released, this, of course, would potentially form the foundation of then going back to roger stone and saying, you said this to congress and we know that not to be true. we learned something in the last couple of weeks, wolf, is -- and mueller showed this, that lying to congress is going to be an offense for which he will -- he will ma

we can screw the dnc and john podesta, all the hillary people. i can do this. all this hail mary person. they come to him with these chalices. there's a bigger development. breaking today, trump's attempt to cut a real estate deal in russia while he was going after the presidency. cnn has attained a signed version, a signed version of the letter of intent that trump endorsed to pursue that deal with the trump tower in moscow. trump's signature on that document which is dated october 28th, 2015, appears to contradict -- it does. why are we saying appears. he said in that interview, there was a letter of intent to go forward but no one signed it. well, guess who signed it? donald trump. confronted today with that document bearing trump's signature giuliani told the "new york daily news," of course trump signed it but he added that the letter of intent was bull blank because it didn't go anywhere. all the time the president is running for office we find out now for a whole year he's working on this project to have the big trump tower over there. all the time he's

podesta's e-mails to leak them, put them out, distribute them.collusion, the callrom t legal ever you wt perspectivtrying to obstruct this investigation? i mean, i think mr. mueller still has a lot to say. i hope that the senate will protect him so he can finish his job. >> by the way, there's no -- i'm willing to bet you there is no chance that this president tries to fire bob mueller. if he hasn't done it already, he's not going to do it now. he's not going to do it when you have a democratic house. >> he's trying to undermine. >> listen, in the clinton administration -- the clinton administration attended to undermine ken starr. >> of course they did. >> that's part of the political game that gets played here. >> i agree with chris. we have already seen what the president has done for a year and half has had no effect. actually, i think it's been detrimental to the president in what happened in the midterms. the party suffered historical losses in the course of this midterm. in the end, i agree with chris. bob mueller will give his report. i t

after the last election the podesta group was hired by the saudis to lobby the u.s. government.l. made $700,000 last year. but nobody maybe in the world tried to cash in like the democratic fundraiser emanuel. his travel agency received $400 million from the saudi government. he cohested a dinner in l.a. for the crown prince. and jeff bezo s from amazon was there. "vanity fair" said topics off-limits were the bombing campaign in yemen and the abduction of lebanon's prime minister and a journalist who was in prison for 5 years for insulting the royal court. they wanted to make sure nobody asked saudis these uncomfortable questions. the left cares about human rights but not when it gets in the way of business in the saudis. we should pause and note. it's not just democrats who have taken truck loads of saudis money. republicans in washington have done so too. second, the saudis are not the only ones making america's ruling class richer. many of our leaders on both side are be paid off by the chinese government. that is a dictatorship more blood thirsty than the saudis. they have k

> well, you know, as you point out, publicly, he said i, you know, the fact that i said that john podestaphrase was, some time in the barrel, right before wikileaks released john podesta's e-mail, he has made publicly, and i'm not sure that he said anything to the committee that would be different from what he said publicly, that that was just a big coincidence, that he had no knowledge. i think that's too big of a coincidence, and you know, what we've learned, of course, since roger stone said that is that whether it's michael cohen or paul manafort or you name any number of, you know, a half dozen officials, when it comes to these things, they lie about it. even though it means that they risk or do go to prison. >> and i do want to adhere, if that's what this is all about, it gets to the center of the whole russia investigation. did someone close to the president, roger stone advises him on politics, did he have knowledge of e-mails hacked by the russians and given to wikile wikileaks? that's according to the indictments from robert mueller's team over the summer. did stone know about t

how did he know that it was podesta's quote time in the barrel?t the release but who had been hacked, who specifically had been hacked. >> for you to zero in on john podesta and his emails, that's too much coincidence to be an educated guess. >>> still ahead global markets suffered losses this morning as yesterday's steep drop on wall street spilled overseas. year going to have more on the slow down concerns rattling investors. >>> and bringing a ix ammed bag of winter weather. he'll tell us about that next. ♪ the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪ you see clear skin. cosentyx can help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis find clear skin that can last. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've ha

that donald trump hacked into the computer and stole the podesta emails?ok at what michael cohen has done with his guilty plea. he's coming up friday. cohen said he lied about interactions, contacts with the russians with regard to the trump tower because he felt he had to be loyal to donald trump. trish: the timing is off by 6 months. when was the last time donald trump actually built anything? right? he just licenses his name to a whole bunch of buildings around the world. >> i don't know exactly how realistic it was. but he had bun pursuing for decades the goal of building a large property in moscow. what we learned is he wanted to give a $50,000 penthouse to vladimir putin. trish: if you are running a business and you agreed to stay on business while running a business. >> you wouldn't tell the american people, i have no business interactions, no loans. nothing outstanding with the russians, which is what candidate donald trump said at the time. trish: this is what michael cohen was saying. we stop talking to them in january, 2016. it turns out there w

unless you can tell me that donald trump hired someone to hack into podesta's emails and turn it overkileaks, i don't understand where the crime crime is. he doesn't know what is looking for. >> how do you know, trish? i've got to go. i love you too, and want. >> he would have known by now there was a conspiracy the russians intercede. crimes personal to the defendants in front of him. nothing to do with the original charge of the special counsel. it is a fact. debbie wasserman schultz was your chair. she was caught trying to the nomination. trish: had a great weekend, brad brad and antoine. hundreds of criminals. ms 13 playing. identify trying to cross our borders. that is not stopping uc berkeley student government from unanimously funding the caravan members. the president of uc berkeley student republican is outraged. taxpayer dollars involved. he is here to sound off on this one. all money managers might seem the same, but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sel

he said the only emails that haven't been released are podesta's.o i will bet you anything those are going to come forward. he figured it out before anyone else. the feds said you expect to us believe that this just came to you? and he said yes. but they seem to want to have the answer, right? >> well, let's face it, trish. this is not a sherlock holmes level of deduction. this is not a brilliant insight worthy of hawking. trish: they didn't figure it out. but jerome was smart enough to figure it out. you use common sense, these are conclusions that feel pretty logical. >> when you open your server up to a bunch of hearing, the hackers are going to break in. if mueller's case hinges on jerome corsi, let just stop it now and put it out of all our misery. that's ridiculous. i was promised collusion, trish. where the hell is my collusion? all i get is hassled by guys like jerome corsi and procedural crimes by a bunch of fringe people. where is my collusion. trish: you don't lie to the feds, and you don't commit tax evasion, et cetera. those are legitim

corsi predicted john podesta's emails would be leaked, and mueller wants to know how dr. have known that. dr. corsi says mueller's team doesn't believe he figured it out and they are trying to intimidate him into making false statements. and he says the feds are trying to defame him and they are leaking misinformation about his charity work. in my interview with dr. corsi friday he insists the feds are telling reporters false information. >> there is no other place this information could have come from. the mueller grand jury. chuck ross the reporter told me he got the information from robert mueller's special counsel. trish: the reporter himself? >> yes, he said i have this information from sources close to and directly from robert mueller's special counsel it, direct proof an illegal leak from the grand jury. trish: you are saying the doctor is real. >> the doctor is real. >> now with us, chuck ross. welcome, chuck. you heard with jerome coursey said. did you tell him that you had this info from sources close to mueller? >> absolutely not. no. i never received a leak of

. >> one person that is tony podesta, and that's how the cooperation has been. they are finally looking out at democrat and it is 20 podesta's failure to file as a foreign agent and gregory craig's failure to file as a foreign agent. that's what they are looking at. >> our own john roberts was part of what was in those redacted portions. jonathan turley spoke out about what the special counsel was doing to new data. >> they are dangling out what is called a 5k1.1 letter which is basically a cooperation letter and they come back repeatedly and say, you don't have that letter. essentially they are turning that into a canned hunt. the only way he's out of that cage as if he tells them what they want to hear. but that's actually concerning to me because here's a guy who obviously is cooperating fully, they say he is credible. so what else did they want him to say? >> i have to get on this because this is why people really dislike certain prosecutors. he has given the information. he's been interviewed seven times by the special counsel i think at least, and you hear

it leads to the question of 20 podesta and cragg.ason, what are your thoughts on that avenue of this? there a lot of folks in washington who are supposed to register their writing operates in newspapers. nobody realizes they're being paid to present a certain point of view. it looks like speed and is very interested in all of that. >> if you recall just a year ago, he is one of the biggest and most effective lobbying firms in town. he suddenly resigned. he stepped down. there are some talk or some reports that there was some limited use of unity that he got. remember, has proximity to john podesta who was hillary clinton's campaign manager is somewhat suspicious. you michael cohen who ends up being represented by lanny davis who is also there. then you have cragg who was involved in the obama white house on the counsel's office and you start scratching your head saying, why haven't they pursued that more aggressively against something that came to light about more than a year ago? >> martha: if there is also painewebber and mercury w

and you end up with the russians again in october when wikileaks release john podesta's e-mails, and we can talk about this lady, but i believe in a race that was this close, 77,000 votes decide it across three states, that anything you can .2 having been reversed might have decide the u.s. election another way. more time in michigan and wisconsin, sure, a better message, sure, but without the podesta's e-mails the race might've ended up differently as well. and again throughout that whole stage while the clinton people are trying to point out as they would of course the attention away from the details of the emails, that they are under attack from russia, , trump is saying it's not happening so it becomes a matter of dispute. it doesn't become a consensus position. so here you have for months russians attacking the united states, and nine it's happening, and donald trump and his minions meeting with the russians and also publicly saying we don't believe this is underway, echoing and advancing russian disinformation. so the metaphor i have used and michael is probably sick of hearing

what they're trying to prove here must they find touchup hired a hacker to illegally obtained john podesta 's emails and turn them over to wikileaks. maybe they got something. stretch. i am not sure what mr. miller is trying to prove this investigation has been going on and on. i do not think he knows either. joining me now is brad blakeman who were done several presidential campaigns along with former hillary clinton campaign advisor. talk to me about the opposition research part of this. he likes politics to offer business that goes on to that opposition research staff. besides do this? >> absolutely. there cannot be a football game if you do not have an offenses and defenses team. to know what they are capable of. what they've done. >> i am just curious. hillary clinton, her team commissioning that dossier, that is normal, right? course of business? >> information comes from a bout of sources. the question is, are you sources legal? information obtained legally? >> let me fast-forward this. antoine, i will bring you in the second episode i looked up to you had with the russian earlier r

his famous e-mail that said, john podesta's time in the barrel is coming shortly before the podesta e-mails were released. the question has always been did stone as an affiliate of the trump campaign, though not formally on the trump campaign, have some sort of inside information. >> he acted as if he did. >> he acted as if he did, and what did he say to the intelligence committees about that under oath? mueller has not indicted stone yet, but he has acted in a way that he looks like he's about to indict stone. >> why doesn't he just interview him himself? >> well, the custom in the justice department, if somebody is a target, about to get indicted, you don't talk to that person. that is sort of the -- and stone has not heard from mueller, which is suggesting that -- >> it's an ominous sign, usually. >> yeah, and another reason he has the sworn testimony from stone, and if you look at mueller's pattern, charging people with lying to investigators has been the primary way he has indicted people so far other than the russians. >> speaking of the pattern, there's of course the payments to stor