of dollars that podesta and hillary made selling, i believe, u.s. military technology to russia. that was based on peter shwietszer's research. but i considered that to be a cover story. because i had not been doing extensive research on that prior to roger talking to me that evening on august 30 and i created this memo as an alternative explanation for roger. >> so -- >> that was my understanding. >> so you were helping him to cover. >> it is my understanding. >> and you've said that in the past. >> i have said it repeatedly and that is my honest recollection. >> and you've also said that you knew that was a lie. that was not the truth. >> in a sense, i've also said -- yes, that is correct but i said in the public relations sense, which i was raised and -- entire work going to college in public relations. >> it is a political turn of phrase is what you say. >> precisely. >> and people say a lie is a lie. >> i've been consistent. i've not dodged that criticism when i testified before the -- or in this 40 hours, my intention was to tell the truth. >>

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march 2016, russian hackers getting jonathan podesta e-mails.ssian agents hack into the dnc the very next month as well as dccc. by july the organization is allegedly strategizing over russian intel how to release the e-mails and they came out right before the democratic convention. july 27th, wikileak publishes the e-mails. you have the resignation of the chair of the democratic party. and then on jewel 27th donald trump infamously says this -- >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> within hours russian hackers tried to gain access to hillary clinton's ee mai-mails and servd two weeks later roger stone was asked about a possible october surprise when speaking to a florida republican group. >> with regard to the october surprise, what would be your forecast on that given what julian assuage has intimated he's going to do? >> well, it could be any number of things. i actually have communicated with assange. i believe the next t

>> i was talking about both podesta brothers.ly 31st, peter schweizer wrote a devastating monograph called "from russia with money." then on the 14th of august, breitbart published another story tying tony podesta to the same ukrainian political party as paul manafort. so i said the podestas' time in the barrel would come. what i was saying was, i intended to get that information on a background basis to a number of reporters. any other narrative about what nhappened there is false. and there was no controversy about my tweet for six weeks. until it is alleged that stone wass foreshadowing podesta's e-mails being stolen. let me be clear. i never knew the source of the content of allegedly hacked or allegedly stolen e-mails. that is a lie. >> sean: alan dershowitz said it well, and i think it's evident inde all the 621 days. we are criminalizing political difference. we've got a dual justice system. that is a clear and present danger to this democraticc republic. i'm sure it's not a fun time for oyou and your family. they shouldn'

the first stolen batch of podesta e-mails dropped.proven that stone coordinated that, what does it mean to him? >> well, i don't think it means a whole heck of a lot actually. we already know from the indictment that they were looking to use the wikileaks drops strategically, right, that they were trying to either detract from bad news or hillary's campaign. whatever they were doing they were trying to do something active and strategic with that. this gives us more color on what they were trying to avoid during those late stages of the campaign. the problem is what is that legally, and i don't think it rises to the level of conspiracy. you know, they're not dealing with the rugs. they're dealing with wikileaks, and what they're trying to get i think is not going to rise the level of a campaign contribution as to violate the campaign finance laws. >> jerome corsi said that stone allegedly told him to release these stolen e-mails, to get them released because of the vulgar tape. there should be lost of text and e-mail evidence that woul

i had -- i believe figured out that assange had podesta's e-mails. tell this not only to roger but to others. and it turned out that i was right. now that was deduction on my part as best i can remember. putting together the dots. but i felt like that should have been valuable information, just that i figged it out. not that i had communications with wikileaks. and he worked with randy credico because i don't think roger ever believed. i don't recall roger thinking, if i had a contact with wikileaks, i think roger would have leapfrogged me immediately and taken the contact himself. >> all right. jerome corsi, thanks for s answering our questions today. >>> could a democrat from texas be the right candidate to take on trump in 2020. julian castro will be here in moments. a lot will happen in your life. wrinkles just won't. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair's derm-proven retinol works so fast, it takes only one week to reveal younger looking skin. neutrogena® you see clear skin. cosentyx can help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis find clea

so i said the podestas time in the barrel would come. what i was saying was, i intended to get that information on a background basis to a number of reporters. any other narrative about what happened there is false. and there was no controversy about my tweet for six weeks. until it is alleged that stone was foreshadowing podesta's e-mails being stolen. i never knew the source of the content of allegedly hacked or allegedly stolen e-mails. >> sean: i think it's evident in all of the 621 days, we're criminalizing political differences. we've got a dual justice system. that is a clear and present danger to this democratic republic. this shouldn't happen on a lot of levels. where's the collusion, there is noun. none. roger, thank you. all right. when we come back, must see interview. former new jersey governor chris christie, he's got a lot to say about the trump presidency. exclusively in studio when we get back, straight ahead. the lead dog, the scenery never changes. that's why this is the view for every other full-size pickup. and this

i maintain i figured out in july and august that assange had posses --that had podesta's ema. you ever talk to assange? i never communicated with him directly or indirectly. today wikileaks put out a statement that qulud wikileaks had never talked or shared information with jerome corsi, he mentioned my name, during the 2016 campaign about the emails that had been taken from the dnc. trish: but the fed don't believe that. >> i guess they don't believe anybody except they have a predetermined set theory look for a criminal. they have a crime and they know who the criminal was. donald trump and the white house. so the only facts mueller is interested in meet his predetermined theory. suddenly they want to say around liar and you are going to prison for the rest of your life. trish: they are saying you are a liar and we are going to make your life miserable null come around to our way of thinking. >> they make you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on defense. the turning point for me, one day my wife woke up in the morning and said to me, jerry, would i visit you in prison r

corsi said he told me that john podesta's emails had been stolen.arlson he said he told many people that. with not really a journalist he said he's told many people that. he never told me that. maybe he can say who else he told. he also said i new about the billy bush nb c tape in advance and i directed julian assange to move up or change the dumb of data to change that. whole cloth. i have text messages and emails and metta beta data that shows he's not telling the truth. >> laura: i know you said you've never deleted any emails you've ever had h any physical documents have they been destroyed? >>> no, absolutely not. it is true that i forgot i had text messages in an old cell phone that are entirely exculpatory that prove that randy cred co. was my source. >> laura: is that one of the false statements that you made >>> yes that would be a false statement but the text messages prove that he is my source as to the significance in the october release date of the wikileaks material. >> laura: we talked about that on the radio at the time. there is any

roger stone tweeted on august 21st, 2016 it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel. barrel and it's headed over niagra falls. >>> this indictment marks another significant move for special counsel robert mueller. a former aide to bob mueller will join our conversation next on "morning joe." nversation nex on "morning joe. (alarm beeping) welcome to our busy world. where we all want more energy. but with less carbon footprint. that's why, at bp, we're working to make energy that's cleaner and better. we're producing cleaner-burning natural gas. and solar and wind power. and wherever your day takes you... we have advanced fuels for a better commute. and we're developing ultra-fast-charging technology for evs.. at bp, we see possibilities everywhere. so we can all keep advancing. and i heard that my cousin's so, wife's sister's husband was a lawyer, so i called him. but he never called me back! if your cousin's wife's sister's husband isn't a lawyer, call legalzoom and we'll connect you with an attorney. legalzoom. where life meets legal. and everyone i've ever opiolove

shown that the themes that corsi and stone were pushing in august, particularly an argument about podesta having ties to russia, those started coming out from corsi and stone before the emails started dropping in october so you would think, yeah, i mean, the evidence is there to suggest that's where they're going. maybe, you know, that's what the fbi spent hours looking for in roger's homes today to see whether they had the podesta emails in some form that didn't come via wikileaks one of the points i made later in the day roger stone was willing to go to great lengths to set up these cover stories inside cover stories inside cover stories but what he didn't do according to the indictment is delete these emails >> right. >> or delete these texts that showed him collecting -- so, that says, you know, this guy who has spent his entire life doing cover-upsdidn't do the most basic thins to engage in a cover-up so there's probably a lot more in his homes that now is in the fbi's possession. >> there's also the fact, ben, this brings us to we have michael cohen, who's pleaded to a number of cri

no one called podesta has not been called into it.t's you who can't afford health care, and papadopoulos, who seems broken, it's carter page. who do you expect the prosecutor will indict next, if anyone? where is this going? >> i have no idea. they seem to be in hot pursuit of dr. jerry corsi. dr. corsi said a number of things about me that are not true but he says he won'tgs testify against the president. hi have the emails and text messagesif and metadata to prove many of the allegations he has made against me are not true. but he clearly has referred to blindly, of course, from this indictment. >> tucker: i'm sorry to interrupt. just take three steps back. who cares?. know if it's too jerome corsi, who seems like a nice guy. does anyone in america believe that jerome corsi is a threat to america's national security, our way ofhr life or democracy? i mean, is he? that seems crazy. >> i don't think so, nor i do think that legitimate political or journalistic inquiry regarding what the topic of the wikileaks disclosure is should be cr

my tweet, the podesta brothers, was noncontroversial for six weeks. dr.rsi said he told me that he told me that john podesta's emails had been stolen. on tucker carlson, he said he told many people that prayed with ari malabar, not really a journalist, he says he told everybody that. he never told me that, and maybe he didn't tell us who else he told. he also said that i knew about the billy bush nbc tape and i directed him to contact julian assange and tell him to move up or change the number of data to distract from that. whole cloth. unfortunately for dr. corsi, i have text messages and emails and metadata that shows that he's not telling the truth. >> laura: i know you have already said that you have not deleted any emails from any email address -- >> that is correct. >> laura: any physical documents, have they ever been destroyed by you? >> no, absolutely not. now it is true that i forgot that i had text messages in an old cell phone that are entirely exculpatory, which prove definitively that randy credito was my source as to the content -- not the

will be charged in any crime that relates to russian collusion or wikileaks collaboration or john podesta's e-mails which i have no advance notice or notice or knowledge of i'm certainly guilty of bluffing and posturing and punking the democrats. >> so he said he was just punking the democrats. is there a way to gauge exactly what truth is there here manuel >> well, his biggest defense will be that he's a braggart and exaggerates a lot and that he likes to go on television and tease reporters and mess with the democrats. whether a jury eventually will weigh that against some of these statements that seem to be in contradiction to the facts will be fascinating watch. >> yeah, and talking about these indictments, anna, i'm bringing you in they reflect roger stone's testimony to congress whether it's charges of lying or witness tampering. is there any chance he will face more charges why didn't roger stone ever testify in the grand jury. his lawyer said he was never interviewed, never asked any questions and now this. >> this has been many, many months in the making, and as your earlier guest

appears to eabo wik obtained hacked information about the dnc and clinton campaign chairman john podestathen released the documents during the 2016 campaign. the u.s. intelligence community concluded that the documents which included embarrassing information about the clinton campaign was hacked by the russian government in an effort help the trump campaign. according to the charges, in the summer of 2016 stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about wikileaks and information it might have that would be damaging to the clinton campaign. stone was then contacted by a senior campaign official who inquired about future releases by wikileaks. according to the indictment, once stone learned that congressional intelligence committees and the fbi had opened investigations regarding russian interference in the 2016 election, stone took steps to obstruct the investigations. but today, his attorneys are saying there's though collusion, that the special counsel is trying to silence stone. he will fight his attorney says. as for the white house, the president's spokeswoman today said the ston

it would soon be pre-destined time in the barrel not long after that clinton campaign manager john podesta has hacked e-mails were released he now insists someone else gave him the information and said as much to a house committee under oath i expressed my view that i am aware of no evidence whatsoever of collusion by the russian state or anyone in the trump campaign but there were questions about whether stone was truthful in that hearing line to congress is a crime and as the months passed stone who loved to talk to the press refused to talk to. senate panel. have elected to invoke my fifth amendment rights when it comes to the witch hunts being conducted by the senate intelligence and the senate judiciary committee soon he will have to decide if he will testify before a jury roger stone is a man who thrives on division and dirty tricks soon to find out if he crossed the line from controversial to criminal we know that roger stone has been a very close unofficial adviser to donald trump for a long time so that will be a great deal that he knows that could possibly more information to be

december after she lost doing all she could to get out there how bad a candidate hillary was, now podesta could hardly be closer than any other politico circumstance saying -- is, she is not going to 2 it, she's it would be bad, her time has come and gone, they are talking to an audience of one, hillary, trying to talk her out of it. kennedy: she is not listening. i am obsessed with people whoevewhodriven to climb mount . to get that close to within a hundred feet of the summit and have team turn you back around, that is something that she lives with every day, and there is no amount of rational argument that will keep her from that fe fee - fever agreement, if a way i understand it. she flew blew it -- funny we talk about this, we talk about likability, and. bernie sanders is not likable. he is authentic, in hillary clinton would come out and be herself and be that know it all crank she might do better, but she would never did it. kennedy: i like idea of kennedy being campaign manager of hillary clinton. she doesn't have th political sl her husband ha and barack obama had. you need a sup

that two days later, voila, the podesta e-mails dropped? >> the answer to your question is yes, that would be based on conjecture, supposition. but there is no evidence to suggest that that is what i was speaking to, i never said anything of the kind. there is no evidence whatsoever that i had advanced knowledge of the content or source of this material. i received nothing from wikileaks or from the russians. i passed nothing on to donald trump or the trump campaign. we've been through this ad nauseam. it is a wild goose chase. >> the indictment alleges a link between stone and the trump campaign, saying, quote, during the summer of 2016, stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about organization 1, that's wikileaks, and information it might have had that could be damaging to the clinton campaign. stone was contacted by senior trump campaign officials to inquire about future releases by organization 1. it also details an unnamed senior trump campaign official being directed to contact stone about additional releases from wikileaks ju

of the defeat for the prime minister to resign may the president of the european commission john podesta has been coming back to wait for any a merge and see talks that might be needed but the size of that vote means that it's very unlikely over the next three days that a plan b. can be sorted out with any real concessions a real compromise is because the deal on the table remained a deal on the table there will be no new negotiations there are talks but no chance of negotiations that will effectively change that in any way in the timeframe that reason may has got to put it before the u.k. parliament again.

disputes this on the day that wikileaks did begin in october, dropping the final e-mails on john podestawhich roger was essentially saying we've got this timing issue. his bush tape is going to be released, and we'd like to have assange begin releasing e-mails now. >> stone said that to you? >> that's my recollection. >> did you tell the mueller folks that? >> oh, yes. >> and were they interested in that? >> absolutely. >> duh doesn't that sound like roger stone is an accomplish of donald trump, not seeking information, but actually trying to collude with wikileaks, to release things in a way that would explicitly help the campaign and solve one problem? >> there was no one i could contact. we went through the entire list. as i say in my book, i think i mentioned it to the world at the staff meeting that day. >> but does that look at attempted collusion? >> that's going to be a conclusion a jury will come to. what i'm going to do, ari, when it comes to that question, if i'm on the stand, i'm going tell the truth as i did to the grand jury i'm going to take a break. if you told the folks

. >> when they released the first batch of podesta leaks -- they sent a text message to stone that read well done. indictment depicts stone moving communations to seek channels, and repeatedly threatening a witness preparing to come clean. whether or not he made contact remains a mystery. did stone manage to get real information on the information stolen or was it all just a bluff as he now maintains? either way there's reason to suspect he hasn't finished with roger stone. this morning they spent hours seizing files and other items here in new york i'm joined by independent journalist who writes about national security silver liberties has been following this cases can as close as anybody. and an msnbc legal contributor marcy, start with dwrou. what jumps out from this development and what we learned from it? >> the two things are one, the way they went after stone. the predawn raid there are law enforcement reasons why they had to do that but nevertheless, manafort did not get that treatment no one else has gotten that treatment. they came after roger before the lights came on that wa

podesta was a direct target. you were a member of clintons campaign as well.r reaction to stone's indictment and the details we learned from it? >> you know, my initial reaction was the quote from martin luther king about the arc of the moral universe is long but bendses toward justice. that was the first thing i thought of, as the mueller -- as this process has gone on, and the pieces start to fall into place, and obviously we'll learn a lot more when hopefully we get to see the final report from mueller. we're starting to see the pieces align, and in the mid elf of the campaign certainly that summer of 2016 into the fall was very clear that something -- we knew about the russians. and then we saw the dnc hacking going on. just the way the bots were releasing information, it was clear something bigger was going on here. but we just didn't have all the pieces. and i think what we've seen since this investigation has been on going is that now that we're starting to learn the truth, we are starting to see what really happened. >> here's how stone defended himsel

podesta hacked content. they didn't. they lost the first narrative. so print news covered it below the fold but by the time we get to sunday, it's gone. the russian origins are gone. for the rest of the campaign, the press is going to treat the russian hacked content as wikileaks. now, i want you to think for a moment what the implications are of saying it's from wikileaks. because wikileaks has put things in public domain that some in this room probably approve of. things that the government probably didn't want us to see. the news has treated wikileaks has a quasi-legitimate news outlet in the past when it released those kind of things, and when you say wikileaks, people don't hear russians as a result. that's a name that's been around for awhile. what people also don't hear is julian assange doesn't like hillary clinton, because hillary clinton wanted him prosecuted for what she considered his misuse of national security data when he released some of that other material earlier. so you would think the press would be saying wikileaks run by julian a

and remember, his podesta e-mail comments about podesta being the next one in the barrel after hillarynton. so obviously, all this goes to the question of whether there was collusion and to what extent there was collusion. that day that julian assange, they were trying on get a meeting with ted julian. it was the day he gave an interview to rt. the russian station that is considered to be a foreign agent by the u.s. government. the exact same day that they were exchanging e-mails and trying to get information so they created the question about whether there was a pass of information at that point. so we don't know the answer. i'm not suggesting we know what the facts are but there's no question there's any range of activity with roger stone, with jerome corsi. now starting to say roger stone wanted a cover story. that tells us that roger stone is feeling the heat. in that theory of the case, why would he do that? >> because jerome corsi wants to protect jerome corsi. he's trying to carve out his own story of i'm not engaged in a conspiracy. i was just someone having conversations with

it would soon be pre-destined time in the barrel not long after that clinton campaign manager john podesta has hacked e-mails were released he now insists someone else gave him the information and said as much to a house committee under oath i expressed my view that i am aware of no evidence whatsoever of collusion by the russian state or anyone in the trump campaign but there were questions about whether stone was truthful in that hearing line to congress is a crime and as the months passed stone who loved to talk to the press refused to talk to us said it. panel i have elected to invoke my fifth amendment rights when it comes to the witch hunts being conducted by the senate intelligence and the senate judiciary committees soon he will have to decide if he will testify before a jury roger stone is a man who thrives on division and dirty tricks soon to find out if he crossed the line from controversial to criminal political hane al-jazeera washington and as you mentioned that the indictment describes a senior trunk campaign official being directed to contacts to an i suppose a big question

. >> i believe i figured out that assange had podesta's e-mails. i told this to roger and others. i was right. that was deduction on my part as best i can remember. i was putting together the dots. >> reporter: the tape rocked the trump campaign. chris christie, the former new jersey governor, recalls in his new book. >> the tape was hard to watch. it was harder to listen to. we listened to it to the end. the words sounded crude and vulgar playing through the small speaker on home ricks' laptop. >> reporter: stone wasn't a campaign staffer at the time. he has served as a political adviser to trump. he denies he asked corsi to reach out to assange. >> jerry corsi is delusional. >> reporter: stone has pleaded not guilty to seven charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and witness tampering. even though corsi said he shared the "access hollywood" saga with mueller, it wasn't referenced in stone's indictment. >> there is no other evidence of that in the public record that we know of. absent that, it seems mueller is not going to rely on the word of corsi all by itse

podesta just gave his password is somebody and it wound up in the hands of wikileaks. emails. stone has never been alleged to have been complicit in the hacking. if you read the indictment, it says the trump campaign had no idea what wikileaks had. so they go hey, stone, going get a heads up on what wikileaks said in stone goes okay. he had no idea. he starts asking around, trying to get the scoop on wikileaks. he couldn't find out. he got nothing, so all he did was hype it up based on publicly released documents. there is no conspiracy there. >> dana: what do you think, juan? >> juan: i read in the indictment that stone asked for a secure line. he wanted to use what's app or something to talk with a senior person in the trump campaign. >> jesse: so what? >> juan: i think it indicates -- >> jesse: stone collaborated with the trump campaign? >> juan: we don't know. i thought you were saying there was no evidence that he collaborated -- >> jesse: with wikileaks. >> juan: i am saying that he is collaborating and giving information. >> jesse: collaborating with trump is no

seemed to hint on twitter and in public, he had a way of knowing something would happen with john podesta's e-mails. that is notable. after the "access hollywood" tape dropped in october, the hacked e-mails came out. the timing of all this is peculiar >> it certainly is more questions to answer when it comes to the president and what he will say and what's next when it comes to this we will watch that julia, thank you for being with us >>> the headline reads, we can see collusion with the soon i indictme indictment e thauthor of the article joins me next to talk about it and saying, "really?" so capital one is building something completely new. capital one cafes. inviting places with people here to help you, not sell you. and savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. because that's how it should be. you can open one from right here or anywhere in 5 minutes. seriously, 5 minutes... this is banking reimagined. what's in your wallet? ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein an

these are the podesta e-mails.had her hands on the debate question and gave it to hillary clinton ahead of time. some staffers were talking about things like this, that rich conservatives, probably found it more palatable to their friends to be catholic rather than evangelical, seen as a slam against catholics that might have turned off catholic voters. another one said that they really should get into bolstering hillary clinton with, quote, meaty latinos, seen as something troublesome to latino voters and suggested they should try to get an endorsement by bill richardson. real e-mails that came out, embarrassing, were they explosive, vote-changing? that's a question that is open to answering. this is what the mueller investigation is trying to find out wrchlt they the result have russian hacking and did they give them to wikileaks and did the trump campaign conspire to then have this whole thing blow up. that's where we're at. the mueller team did not make that link in this indictment. stone says that they never w

after john podesta pastors was stolen.he logged into the system and passwords are apparently very popular and very weak method of security. so it all kind of fits together in that way. as a longtime security professional i find it frustrating because the technology that we need to prevent the vast majority of hacking attacks exist. they've existed for over 20 years. strong methods to authenticate people, crept off her feet. you're well familiar with it but the graphic method of public-key encryption has existed for a long time. that same technology can be used to encrypt e-mails, but it isn't. it is not something that we have in our society very deliberately because if your e-mails were encrypted with strong security technology then businesses would be able to read them, they wouldn't be able to monitor you, they would be able to sell things to you, and the government wouldn't be able to monitor serial. over the past two decades that has been systematically bypassed and dismantled. unfortunately that is a choice. that is a

what i recall from roger's infamous or famous tweet with podesta, it lines up with podesta's work inaine. e-mails? >> cover story depending on defense of why roger stone seemed to know about things. that's one defense. you offered another. you're saying you're view with dr. corsi at the table is information aggressor and setting up roger? >> i'm sorry, dr. corsi, that's what i believe. i believe you're being pushed into it by mueller. i don't agree with what you're saying about roger. i believe roger has the evidence to prove that what you're saying is false. what you just said about the pay from info wars and all that, that's all stuff out of mueller not roger. i think you're putting your old friend in danger. >> he put us all in danger, mike. >> i think roger has been defamatory. i think things said in the broadcast i'm very much offended by. i'm not going to argue with roger word by word, issue by issue. roger is entitled to his own perception and what he perceived. >> how do we get to the bottom of that. i'm not asking you, dr. corsi, how do we get to the bottom of that if roger

adviser to trump and someone who has talked allot about assange and wikileaks and hillary clinton and podestau and he have communicated in public. you've communicated in private, as we've now learned. we can put up the video of you together back in the day. now something seems to have suddenly changed. he is now very critical of you, saying you're now working with mueller to sandbag him on a fabricated charge. is that true? >> it's not true. it's up to rog tore believe what roger wants to believe. i don't want to fight with roger. he's entitled to his enperceptions. roger's entitled to how he perceived me. i don't have any intention to refute him. doesn't bother that someone disparages me in public. it happens frequently. >> we're getting now to that's part of my job. >> certainly. >> i say it not to disparage you -- >> it's a fair question. i don't have a problem with it. >> he now says, after we just showed you guys together, you guys communicating seeming to be on the same team, fair to at one point in time. >> yes. >> now he's saying, "you're starting to make michael cohen look like a sta

i made the case that the accusation that i knew about john podesta's e-mail hack in advance was false. i think this was productive. >> i'm joined now, as promised, by congresswoman jackie speier from the house intelligence committee. what does today's indictment say about the consequences for allegedly misleading your committee? >> i think that many of those who testified before our committee while the republicans were in power were under the impression that they could say virtually anything and get away with it. and we're going to see in short order that roger stone is not the only one that lied to congress and that there are consequences. it's a felony to lie to congress, and we're seeing the results of that in this indictment. >> your view, based on what we now know to be the trigger mueller is willing to use on false statements to congress is that you have knowledge of other individuals that you think by this standard would also be charged. >> yes, i do. >> can you name any of them? >> i'm not going to. >> are there more than two >> there may be two. >> about two are any of them i

intelligence says were ston, by russia, from clinton campaign chairman john podesta and the d.n.c.ay's indictment suggests the trump campaign was aware of wikileaks' releases beforehand: "stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about organization 1"-- a reference to wikileaks-- "and information it might have had that would be damaging to the clinton campaign," the indictment says. "stone thereafter told the trump campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by organization 1." >> this has nothg to do with the president. >> schifrin: today, white house press secretary sarah sanderstr d to distance the president from the indictment. the president himself tweeted,wi "greatesh hunt in the history of our country! no collusion!, border coyotug dealers and human traffickers are treated better."t nce the mueller investigation began almost two years ago, the president'ser foampaign chair has been convicted; his deputy campaign chair, national security adviser, and personal attorney have pleaded guilty; and now, his long-time political adviser and friend h been charge

i think we started with john podesta got hacked because of a phishing e-mail so the clinton campaigne-mails were late to the world and then the question is what percentage of hacks happen because of social engineering or phishing attacks like that as opposed to lasers and mission impossible or did i get it? >> what is the percentage, what he go for first? >> when we are doing a professional assessment we usually don't have the option of any school available. we are usually supposed to be there do social engineering or we look for vulnerabilities on a server or things like that. but, typically when an organization is hacked it's an enormous percentage of the time because of failure of authentication, so authentication means how you verify a person's identity and that was the case with a guard. q did not have a good process for verify my identity or maybe he did not follow the process. we had issues with a fake id cards. then, on the internet that is the problem with fishing. we think it's coming from a ceo or your friend or a colleague and so you click on that link and if we had a goo

within an hour after the release of the hollywood access tape, a whole series of e-mails related to podesta, the campaign manager for hillary clinton, were released. so these were two very strategic releases that really would have required somebody inside of the campaign to really have strategized as to exactly what they were trying to do with these e-mails. and i am sure that what they suspect, if they don't have evidence already, is that roger stone was coordinating with the russians and with wikileaks to put out the right e-mails at the right time. >> and another mueller witness sat at this table, in week, and said roger was trying to do that. but no one knows if he pulled it off. does your spidey sense, your watergate and mueller spidey sense as known in legal circles, tell you they are getting close to that evidence or just don't have it. because you can't charge what you don't have, even if you don't have it. >> i think they have part of the evidence but i don't think they have the full evidence. and what they do have, which roger stone didn't realize is, he thought he was using what'

four days later the website released thousands of e-mails stolen from clinton campaign chairman john podesta. stone has steadfastly denied knowing ahead of time what wikileaks was planning to release. >> i received nothing from wikileaks or from the russians. i passed nothing on to donald trump or the trump campaign. >> reporter: but prosecutors say he lied to congress by claiming he had no e-mails or texts documenting his efforts to find out what wikileaks was up to, and they say he urged credico to lie too, invoking a character in one of the "godfather" movies who lies to congress. and threatened to take away credico's dog. >> like other mueller indictments, this indictment suggests there's more to come, there are other shoes to drop, that he's looking at other people for similar conduct. >> reporter: stone is on bail now, soon to face mueller's prosecutors in court. pete williams, nbc news, washington. >>> this is peter alexander. president trump tonight ignoring questions about the indictment of his controversial confidant, roger stone, reserving his outrage for twitter, blasting the rus

and then on this last one, after october 7th release of podesta e-mails, that's john podesta who was hillary clinton campaign manager. an associate of the high ranking trump campaign official sent a text message to stone that read, quote, well done. so all of the pieces together show how everyone in the trump orbit knew that roger stone was the wikileaks. what it does not lay out is whether or not the campaign officials knew the source of wikileaks information, that they got these e-mails from russian hackers, which mueller has pointed out in his indictments. it's not clear that they knew that. that's a key piece and another string that will need connecting. >> julia, thank you. stand by for me, if you can as well. i want to bring in bob costa here. bob costa, of course, there with the washington post. i understand you just hung up the phone with the president's tv attorney, rudy guiliani. what is he saying about all of this? >> joll yahis message that the probe in his view is something that's based on a lot of false statements. cases about false statements. his quote to me was anoth

2016, just ineks before the election, wikileaks posted emails from clinton's campaign chairman, aihn podestae indictment says stone received a text from an associate of a high-ranking trump campaign official saying, "well done." prosecutors allege stone went on to lie about his wikileaks contacts when he testified before congressional committees investigating russia's interference in the election. they also say he tried to intimidate another witness into lying, at one point emailing him, "my lawyers are dying to rip you to shreds." >> my name is roger stone, and i'm an agent provocateur. >> reporter: stone, who was featured in a netflix documentary, is a self- uroclaimed "dirty trickster." he worked for richard nixon and then became rich when he started a lobbying firm with paul manafort, who had become president trump's campaign chairman. ironically, manafort also appeared in federal court today, himself a target of robert mueller's investigation. >> one man's dirty trick is another man's political civic n.tion. everything i do, everything i have ever done has been legal. >> reporter: prose

soon after, wikileaks releases the first batch of podesta's e-mails. according to the indictment, "an associate of the high ranking trump campaign official sent a text message to stone that read, well done." prosecutors say stone tried to cover up his activity. he is charged with lying to congress, obstruction, and witness tampering. >> i will plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. >> reporter: he vows he won't turn against president trump. >> there is no circumstance whatsoever under which i will bear false witness against the president nor will i make up lies to ease the pressure on myself. >> reporter: the white house says president trump is in the clear. >> this has nothing to do with the president. this has nothing to do with the white house. >> pierre, with this indictment today, the special counsel, appearing to draw links between the campaign and wikileaks. but on collusion? >> reporter: it makes clear, some campaign officials wanted the dirt on clinton, and it came from russia. >> thank you. >>> and in north carolina,

me and there's this part in the indictment that says after they -- after wikileaks released john podesta'smaes some from the campaign texted well done. for over and over again, when i watch people get indicted, i'm almost taken back by how much they didn't try to hide what they were doing. is idea that you're texting well done and you're not encrypting it and not sing something else and stating our friend in the embassy when we n know who is living in a embassy. so i think what we're seeing here is not only is there going to be a paper triml and a line. but that people could also have just been sloppy. robertd that's a gint. when you think about roger stone, who is he? he's this character with a -- the nixon gestures. and the tattoo on his back of achard nixon. he's beund politics for decades. why does he matter? who is he? >> it is -- one of the comments speaker pelosi said today, i thought, was so understated but interesting -- so int esting, who the president surrounds himself with. he's a character. and a very rea sense as you described, that the tattoo, the nixon references, and appar