diversity in that white house you need to be as equal as far as possible who is occupying senior level poe glikes to that credit they have almost as many women in the top posts as men. >> really? >> that's what i learned. >> reports have all been that his inner circle is a whole bunch of men. and valerie jarrett. >> very different from the top post. >> only has three senior advisors one is a woman two are men, one of the men is leaving. i will just say that i think, a little bit hypocritical of this specific white house which pushed this issue so hard to be in this position where they don't have as many women. >> this is where we have to be realistics. i went spoke to group of female chiefs of staff on the hill. listening to them, it's hard, it is very hard to work those long hours and most of them all had children and more on the way. i thought they were struggling with this. this is not the easiest job in washington to have. there are many other opportunities that provide much more flexibility, much higher pay we have to think is it that -- >> they don't get those opportunities unless they get