secret law, pogo has voiced many concerns about the executive branch use of secret law. how we come to conclusions in striking the right balance between our security and rights is imperative. and the legal interpretations cannot be cloaked in secrecy. secret law propose poses a serious harm to our democracy. our recommendations are in our written testimony but there's one issue and point that the 9/11 commission made that is important about nurturing that the current system nurtures overclassification. there are no punishments for not sharing information. agencies uphold a need to know culture of protecting rather than a need to share culture of integration. thank you for inviting me to testify. i look forward to working with the committee and further exploring how to protect legitimately classified information and reducing government secrecy and costs. thank you. >> thank you. >> i appreciate all the opening statements. we'll now recognize the gentleman from mr. michigan, mr. walberg for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you for holding this hearing. i

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steve aftergood has been studies it, pogo. every incentive is to classify.congress needs to take action. because y'all can change the minds of the bureaucracy and how it actually works. you can change the laws and their hearts and minds will follow. >> i actually believe that the executive branch in general agencies in particular actually want the ambiguity because the ambiguity gives them almost unlimited discretion. in dealing with issues. and yes, it results in dumb things, but it's the ultimate trump card to pull out whether you're dealing with the courts, whether you're dealing with congressional oversight or whatever. nobody wants to be the one who compromised truly sensitive information. so there tends to be this over deferential to any assertion, and that's what it is, a simple assertion. it cannot be demonstrated that it truly should be classified. >> well, there's so many other things i would like to add or comment on, but mr. amey, i'm assuming -- this committee has requested through the years a great deal of classified material. and do you think

. >> you are a human pogo stick. >> we had scratch and sniff cocaine in college. i never par took in that. >> you know what is interesting is some of these activities sound like something off one of the old mtv shows. >> it was viewed by 14 and 15-year-olds. we are setting up a nation of coddled and entitled and emotionally crippled morons and they are in charge of our social security one day. that's terrifying. these are are the products of the helicopter parenting generation who wanted to make the world so safe and sanitary for their children and now they try to pass them off to college and they need to be parented and snuggled and they need special animals. it is like a 4-year-old's birthday party. you know how you blow off stress? you study hard and get stressed out and take your final and then you binge drink. >> that was the formula in the old days ? >> a winning formula. >> you know it, kennedy! some some -- sometimes you link and wake up and you are petting their therapeutic cats. they need to keep a list of those who want to pet miniature horses before fi

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steve aftergood has been studies it, pogo. every incentive is to classify.congress needs to take action. because y'all can change the minds of the bureaucracy and how it actually works. you can change the laws and their hearts and minds will follow. >> i actually believe that the executive branch in general agencies in particular actually want the ambiguity because the ambiguity gives them almost unlimited discretion. in dealing with issues. and yes, it results in dumb things, but it's the ultimate trump card to pull out whether you're dealing with the courts, whether you're dealing with congressional oversight or whatever. nobody wants to be the one who compromised truly sensitive information. so there tends to be this over deferential to any assertion, and that's what it is, a simple assertion. it cannot be demonstrated that it truly should be classified. >> well, there's so many other things i would like to add or comment on, but mr. amey, i'm assuming -- this committee has requested through the years a great deal of classified material. and do you think

steve aftergood has been studies it, pogo. every incentive is to classify. there's almost no disincentive. there are no penalties. there has to be, i think, this is the main reason why congress needs to take action. because y'all can change the minds of the bureaucracy and how it actually works. you can change the laws and their hearts and minds will follow. >> i actually believe that the executive branch in general agencies in particular actually want the ambiguity because the ambiguity gives them almost unlimited discretion. in dealing with issues. and yes, it results in dumb things, but it's the ultimate trump card to pull out whether you're dealing with the courts, whether you're dealing with congressional oversight or whatever. nobody wants to be the one who compromised truly sensitive information. so there tends to be this over defer ngzal to any assertion, and that's what it is, a simple assertion. it cannot be demonstrated that truly should be classified. >> well, there's so many other things i would like to add or comment on, but mr. amey, i'm assum

steve aftergood has been setting up for many years, pogo. there's almost no penalties. there has to be a think the main reason why congress needs to take action. you can change mind of the bureaucracy and how it works. you can change the law in their hearts and minds will follow. >> actually play the executive branch actually want the ambiguity because the ambiguity gives them almost unlimited discretion in dealing with issues and yet the results in things but the ultimate trump card with your dealing with the chords, congressional oversight or whatever, nobody wants to be the one who compromises truly sensitive information and it tends to be this over darfur region. it is a simple assertion. it cannot be demonstrated as it truly should be classified. >> there's so many other games i would like to comment on, but i'm assuming this committee has requested through the years a great deal of classified material. do you think that agencies are classified some material for a lot of material that doesn't need to be classified to avoid or get around the congressional effect is

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pogo has put his concerns about the use of state of. how we come to conclusion and striking the right balance between security and right is imperative and the legal interpretations cannot be secrecy. secret that proposes a serious harm to our democracy. pogo's written recommendations are in her written testimony but i think there is one issue and point the 9/11 commission made that is important about nurturing that the current system nurtures over classification. there are no punishments for not sharing it her mission. agencies have pulled information protected rather than promoting a need to share culture of immigration. thank you for inviting me to testify. i look forward to working with the committee in further exploring how do reduce government secrecy. thanks. >> thank you. appreciate of the opening statements. we now recognize the gentleman from michigan, mr. walberg for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. in thank you for holding this hearing. it is something that probably many of us have surmised is going on in this certai