this public council, for example, a satirical comedy about a murder nemtsov or about the death of politkovskayaat's how they would it appreciated. what would be their verdict. how would they defend the freedom of creativity and the opportunity to laugh at someone else's death, but it comes to mind, in general, dear lord, that on the issue of vciom, for example, the rating of idols russia of the 20th century is such vladimir vysotsky yuri gagarin georgy zhukov joseph stalin do you know that according to the survey levada-center to the question? what do you think? what role did joseph stalin play in the life of our country ? rather positively assessed the role of stalin. what kind of repression are they? they are for the gulag, for the solovki, for the executions. no, no, they are for the country that rose from the ruins that survived the terrible war, won this war, defeated the terrible enemy. today wins in syria, what do you tell? who won our troops defeated our aerospace forces, no one else won in syria, but you don’t need to know this, you don’t need to remind this, but if these 85% of our ci

be empowering and emboldening autocrats to use authority against journalist like anna politkovskaya, and he tried to succumb if you criticism of us find, please, give every legitimate reason, a legitimate right to criticize us. bring it to me, he said, if you have any criticism and will address in the fairway. but the language of enemies of the people and fake news and things like that is so inflammatory that it was in danger to president trump for journalist. president trump and said you think so? s that's interesting. of course it made a difference whatsoever. within a week is doing it again. >> guest: that's another really striking way in which the trump presidency with such an outlier from any of the presidency, democrat or republican. their eventnt of the president o might have worked with autocratic leaders, especially in the cold w war, but we've ner had a modern president of the united statess who openly admird and shared for the world dictators, strongman, and bad guys. this was something that of course is a major theme in the divider for us but we are trying to look at what

it would be empowering autocrats to use authority against journalists like anil pull anna politkovskaya. but the language of the enemies of the people and fake news is so inflammatory that it was a danger to president trump. he said, you think so? that is interesting. and it made no difference whatsoever. susan: that is another really striking way in which the trump presidency was such an outlier from any other presidency. democrat or republican really. there have been other presidents who might have worked with autocratic leaders, especially in the cold war, but we have never had a modern president of the united states who cheered for the world's dictators, strong men and bad guys. this was something that, of course it is a major theme in "the divide," but we are trying to see -- this is not only demonizing and attacking the press on the home another level, but this admiration for the autocrats of the world who did not have to deal with the independent media. he celebrated people like kim jong-un, the philippines,cc in egypt, erdogan in turkey. and tormented america's allies. it is suc

would be n popping and emboldening autocrats to use authority against the journalists like anna politkovskayasia as an example to use your example. he tries to explain if you christened of us find, find, you have every legitimate right to criticize us. bring it to be he said, the publisher did if you have any criticism will address it in a fairway but this language, theth linkage of enemies of the people and fake news and things like that is so inflammatory that it was endangering, he said come president donald trump for journalism. president trump said to think so? interesting. within a week is doing it again. >> guest: that's another striking way in which the trump presidency was such an outlier from any of the presidency, democratsi or republican. there are a bit of who might have worked with autocratic leaders, especially in the cold war, but we've never had a modern president of the united states who openly admired and cheered for the world's for the, strongmen and bad guys. this iss something that, of course it's a major theme in the divider for us but we are trying to at where is the t

stand up to putin, people who help us to help us understand this big complicated country, anna politkovskaya is not the only one who is dead. boris murdered in the shadow of the kremlin, many others killed, exiled,he and then there are a large category also people that we quote in the book who have become apologists for the putin regime. >> host: let's go to calls and begin with leo was up in the bronx. leo, you are on with authors and journalists susan classic and peter baker. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. my question is for both susan and peter. number one, i enjoy seeing you on msnbc because you are both very knowledgeable but my questionti is about china. as you know this week china has writing against the lockdown. what isn't clear in is why won't the chinese leadership purchase mrna vaccines from pfizer and from moderna which are more effective than the vaccines that they produce? aren't they jeopardizing their political stability by not looking to vaccines that are most effective?ac >> host: gettings a little bit off our topic of the books that they've written about but sus