i'm not a polly anna, enormous pressures, i've been subject to them, everybody has been subject to them, they're very difficult, that doesn't mean we don't have a future, that doesn't mean that we shouldt be optimistic, i think we should for a variety of reasons. >> if you come out and you go by the washington post, what you're going to see is opportunity, right? the point of this, the unrest, this turmoil that we live in every day has nonetheless created opportunity for smart young people to come up with new ways of doing things. it's created essentially new job descriptions, at places like the post. that's good thing, and you're comfortable with that kind of evolution. >> i'm excited about that, actually. we have a whole new group of people coming into our business who are digital natives, they grew up -- yep, first generation. >> that's air native language, for people like me, we're learning that, it shows some times that we're still in the process of learning, for young people, they've grown up with this from the very beginning, they don't know another language, so they kind of spea