senator poma bill, s-1000, that addresses energy efficiency in the industrial sector, in government and in buildings. but one of the best ways to encourage energy efficiency is by supporting the expansion of cogeneration or combined heat and power. these are -- the technologies used are generally off the shelf. they exist right here in the united states. the jobs that are created are here in the u.s. so can you talk to what the position of the department is on combined heat and power and how you address that in this upcoming budget? >> we are very bullish in combined heat and power. you know, in today's modern let's say gas turbine generation, you can get 55%, 60% efficiency in converting that energy into electricit best, 60 efficient. i guess some companies claim 61% or 62%, but i'm not going to quibble. in combined heat and power you go up to 80%. it can be -- now, we think that -- if there's any way to encourage people to do that, that would be great. there's also new ideas and new innovations being deployed now that seem to work. some people -- here's the issue. sometimes you want t