the cost to protect pompeo and one of his aides. but luke, from just short of 700,000 to more than 2 million dollars per month close to 90% of it going to pompeo, security and all of it public dollars. the documents explain the 2 million mostly covers vehicle and travel costs for pompeo, security agents and his travel for paid speeches and public events is extensive. so how much travel is the former secretary doing well, these are some not all of his public events in the u.s. just since april. there's a stark difference between a national security mission. that's important for us. >> and then a discretionary trip in all things, especially if there's a threat nature from a state sponsor, you would have to be concerned. retired diplomatic security service agent mark hip says it's not uncommon for former officials to do book tours or paid speeches like pompeo is doing in his case making 6 figures per speech. the law dictates that we have to protect these individuals out of the other concern for them. but hip says when there's a credibl

the cost to protect pompeo and one of his aides. but luke, from just short of 700,000 to more than 2 million dollars per month close to 90% of it going to pompeo, security and all of it public dollars. the documents explain the 2 million mostly covers vehicle and travel costs for pompeo, security agents and his travel for paid speeches and public events is extensive. so how much travel is the former secretary doing well, these are some not all of his public events in the u.s. just since april. there's a stark difference between a national security mission. that's important for us. >> and then a discretionary trip in all things, especially if there's a threat nature from a state sponsor, he would have to be concerned. retired diplomatic security service agent mark hip says it's not uncommon for former officials to do book tours or paid speeches like pompeo is doing in his case making 6 figures per speech. the law dictates that we have to protect these individuals out of the other concern for them. but hip says when there's a credible

the cost to protect pompeo and one of his aides. but luke, from just short of 700,000 to more than 2 million dollars per month close to 90% of it going to pompeo, security and all of it public dollars. the documents explain the 2 million mostly covers vehicle and travel costs for pompeo, security agents and his travel for paid speeches and public events is extensive. so how much travel is the former secretary doing well, these are some not all of his public events in the u.s. just since april. there's a stark difference between a national security mission. that's important for us. >> and then a discretionary trip in all things, especially if there's a threat nature from a state sponsor, he would have to be concerned. retired diplomatic security service agent mark hip says it's not uncommon for former officials to do book tours or paid speeches like pompeo is doing in his case making 6 figures per speech. the law dictates that we have to protect these individuals out of the other concern for them. but hip says when there's a credible

and i know that pompeo -- the only thing i reported in the book is that pompeo at one point called bill barr saying, i'm really worried about what's going on at the pentagon. there was concerns about strikes against iran. what would trump try to do during the lame duck period? how would he create an international crisis as a way to stay in power? there were real concerns. and pompeo at one point called barr and asked him about that. i learned that directly from the other side of that conversation. so, it'll be interesting to see if pompeo will acknowledge that. >> jonathan carl, thank so much. >>> more on the justice department investigation and how hard they're preparing to get there. kaitlan polands has been talking to her sources, joins us nows. walk us through this court battle over executive privilege. >> anderson, today, we are learning that the justice department is gearing up to get ready to go to court, as they're investigating for possible criminality, january 6 and the presidency. so, one of the things that evan perez, another reporter here and i, were learning today from sev

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this military won't be used, he assured pompeo. would the committee want to know about these kinds of conversations and why would that be important? >> this goes back to an early theme from the january 6th committee hearings when we heard bill stepien, a former trump campaign manager refer to these two teams in the white house, team normal and team crazy. so here, pompeo is clearly, through this retelling of the story, striking out his place in that setting in terms of saying he was part of team normal and he was not with team crazy. so perhaps this is more of that narrative that the committee wants to get down to is who was on what side and when we're looking at team crazy, how much pull they had, team normal, how maybe not as much pull they had when it came to then president trump. so this is clearly of interest to the committee and they want to continue to tell this story of the divide that occurred within trump's white house building up to january 6th and the day of. >> katty, this is a two-parter for you. does it surprise you

>> pompeo, that is another issue that is out there as well. incentive now that we have seen a senior aide to the president go to jail. perhaps, that might occur as more witnesses testify. >> all the difference to a lawyer. >> here we go, that is like, no disrespect, but here it comes. [laughs] >> i think the most significant thing about pompeo testifying is that he's the first person that testified who is clearly a presidential candidate for 2024. this signals possibly that they have done the risk reward calculus, and he is trying to figure out how to do his messaging on january six, and stop the steal stuff, about how you positions themself vis-À-vis trump. there are a lot of people and washington that mike pence already started the game of thrones maneuvering. >> he has. for all intents and purposes, he has. >> when one of the players in one of these games theory situation starts to go, you cannot sit in the sidelines any longer. i think the political gamesmanship, trying to figure out what all this means for trump and running against trump,

he would have necessarily had some privileges that are hard to get around. >> pompeo? >> pompeo.there as well. so, he has an incentive. now that we've seen the senior aide to the president going to jail. and so perhaps that might encourage more witnesses to testify. >> all the deference to the lawyers. >> there we go. i know. that's like, no disrespect, but -- here it comes. >> i think the good thing about pompeo testifying is he's the first person to testify who is clearly a potential presidential candidate in 2024. and this signals possibly that they have done the sort of risk/reward calculus. and he's trying to figure out how to do his messaging on january 6th, on stop the steal stuff. there's a lot of people in washington who think mike pence has begun the game of thrones maneuvering. >> you can't sit on the sidelines any longer. and i think the political gainesmanship of trying to figure out what all of this means for trump and running against trump, particularly when trump says he's probably going to announce before the midterms, the whole game is started earlier about how

there's another one in the inner circle, mike pompeo. that according to multiple sources why do they want to talk to him of all people? might have something do with the 25th amendment. >> haven't heard the discussions among cabinet secretaries. from what i understand it was more of a -- thisthis is what a hearing, i want you to hear it and you should be on the radar, you're technically the boss of all the secretaries and the conversation progressed you should be ready to take action on this. >> that as a star witness is now cooperating with the justice department. that is cassidy hutchinson working with the feds. and working with a source, we don't know exactly what she is telling them, though, but we know what she told the committee. here it is. >> the president said something to the effect of i'm the f'ing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> and now an ex-trump official, current cnn political commentator says there are other white house officials planning to cooperate with the department of justice. in the face of all this, th

pompeo reached out to have the conversation. in case you have not heard the discussion amongst cabinet secretaries, from what i understand, it was more of a, this is what i am hearing, how much are you aware of it, but i don't think it is worth putting on your radar because you are the chief of staff. if conversations progress, you should be ready to take action on this. >> that is the star witness at the hearing so far, now cooperating with the justice department. that was cassidy hutchinson, the woman he saw there. working with the feds, according to the source, would knowledge a discussion of people she has been working with. we don't know exactly what she's telling them, but we know what she called a committee here. >> the president said something to the effect of, i am the effing president, take me to the capitol now. >> now, alyssa farah griffin, ex trump official, you've seen on the show and others. there are other white house officials planning to cooperate with the justice department. in the face of all this, there is j

pompeo had the conversation with mr. meadows in case he hadn't heard discussions m amongst cabinet secretaries. >> as we know in the word of sean hannity's own text messages, quote, yes, impeachment and 25th amendment are real. now, politically, let's just say, it's never a good look when your highest profile supporter is talking about whether two more week of you being in office poses a threat to the country and it's 14 days too long. folks like mike pompeo see the same polls we do. where are a majority of republicans? well, they now want somebody other than trump in 2024. it seems to be opening a bit of the flood gates. steeb just showed what happened when he refused to cooperate with the committee. i want to talk about this with shan wu, doug jones, and rnc communications director doug heye. you're all former, but presently here. i'm sorry. i said former, former, former. you're all experts at these topics. when you hear about the privilege issues more broadly, it's a bit more nuanced. biden is not going to assert the

security for former secretary of state mike pompeo, a new state department report showing pompeo facesher. then some former presidents. >> the state's former secretary of state mike pompeo gets a rock star. welcome. weather in florida. >> former secretary of state mike pompeo. >> we're new york. michigan, his travel schedule is packed no longer serving as the nation's top diplomat, but you wouldn't know it based on his 24 to 7 security detail. a team of state department, diplomatic security service agents protecting him everywhere. he goes standard for a former high ranking official under threat. pompeo still faces a credible threat from iran. hence the around the clock security. it's retaliation for his role in the assassination of iranian general. qassem soleimani back in 2020. >> shocked not 20. iran's president said martyrs would, quote, take revenge on pompeo in a speech earlier this year. but state department officials around pompeo tell news nation he's been ignoring the advice of his security. >> often choosing to put himself and those who protect him in danger and doing so at

now it's pompeo. it's to make mulvaney. it's mnuchin. you've heard of them, none of whom are coffee boys, right? but the ideas that may be, well i don't know, maybe chai latte. but they're getting closer and closer here. does that tell you something about the focus of the federal prosecutors now? >> i think it tells us that the focus is where it supposed to be. i don't know if it can make the jump on people were talking about, but now we could say there's an investigation on trump. i mean, i would assume these questions about trump would have been asked when folks were in the grander, where they answer not different questions. it's just that we are hearing, for the first time the confirmation that they were asking about trump. so, i don't agree quite there yet. nor will garland be rushed to shake that were investigating the former president. but they're certainly asking the right questions. and i think you could see how nervous trump's, because it seems like it may be accelerating his intentions to announce his candidacy. >> is the 25th

they may speak to pompeo, as soon as this week. they want to know about the conversations surrounding the 25th amendment. why is that important, do you think? >> obviously, if the presidents cabinet was having conversations of that serious you know -- the nature of which were that serious. the idea that the president could discharge his duties. obviously they would've had information in theory. that would be of interest to this committee, around this topic. i'm not surprised, they want to talk about it. it was always hard for me to tell, at the time, was this just rumor monger-ing going on? or how serious you know where these conversations about the 25th amendment? i guess that's one thing we will learn here. how deeply these talks went, and how close it ever really came to happen. >> these 25th amendment conversations, elie, happened after the six. and could speak to the ex president's state of mind, in that time. in those days. what do you want to know? >> it certainly could speak to the cabinet's perception of donald trump's sta

look, they may speak to pompeo as soon as this week. they want to know about conversation surrounding the 25th amendment. why is it important, you think? >> well, obviously if the president's cabinet was having conversations of that serious, you know, the nature of which were that serious -- the idea that the president could discharge his duties -- also they would've had a mission information and, in theory. i'm not surprised they want to talk about it. it was always hard for me to tell, at the time. you know, was his rumormongering ? how serious were the conversations about the 20th amendment? i guess that is one thing we will learn, here. how deeply these talks went and how close it came to happening. >> the conversations happened after the sixth, and could speak to the ex-president state of mind in that time, in those days. what you want to know? >> it could speak to the cabinets perception of donald trump state of mind. i don't think it tells us much about what was actually in donald trump's mind. but, yeah, the 20th amendment is re

>> well, i think with regards to mike pompeo, as a secretary of defense. he in particular is someone that i can understand why you would want to talk to him. remember, at the last hearing, we heard how donald trump did nothing for the 187 minutes that the capitol was under attack. we heard from chief of staff of the joint chief of staff, mark milley, who we have not heard from mark pompeo, at the department of defense. and so to the extent that there was any requests and or communication, at the defense department, that would be the place to find it and so i imagine that is what they are looking at with regard to mike pompeo. >> peter, the committee as barb just said, in talks to speak with the former secretary of state, mike pompeo. this reminds people about top of the 25th amendment. are they right to go there? >> well i think it's important to understand what exactly the conversation and the hours and days after january six. remember of course, there was a big mood among democrats, even some republicans, on january, the late january six, and early janua

but more meadows, how did the president -- pompeo might say, how is the president doing? meadows would say, well, he's in a really dark place. but here's one, for example, on the 7th of january. so this is the day after, right? potus is very emotional and in a bad place, meadows. >> we know cassidy hutchinson has testified about conversations among cabinet members. mike pence was presented with this idea himself. how much in your reporting do we know about how serious trump might have been about attempting to use the military? we know mark milley would have said absolutely not. >> joy, mark milley would have said absolutely not. he was on tenor hooks that donald trump would try such a move, a banana republic junta kind of move. that was a worry of his. as we write in our book, what phil rutger and i wrote about the catastrophic year, 2020, milley was prepared for this moment. he believed donald trump was whipping up a furor, whipping up panic and tension among his supporters, calling them to washington, we'll be wild on january 6th, and was trying to create this anger abo

among the cabnet officials he spoke to that night was pompeo, pompeo has denied the conversation, but to the, stay mnuchin has never responded to questions about it. he still refuses to say whether, he, on january 6th, thought donald trump might have been mentally unfit to continue serving as president of the united states. the new york times confirmed jonathan carleton's reporting on january six committee vice chair liz cheney publicly presented evidence of the 25th amendment discussions had occurred. discussions confirmed by star witness cassidy hutchinson. >> the committee has learned that after the attack of the u. s. capitol, this was being discussed by members of president trump's cabinet. as a way of stripping the full power of the presidency from donald trump. we understand that this text message that sean hannity sent kayleigh mcenany on january 7th, shows what mr. hannity said to the president. first, no more stolen election talk. second, impeachment and the 25th amendment are real, many people will quit. >> there is a large concern that the 25th amendment potentially being

and i said, "why won't mike pompeo deny it ey won deny it."tephen: never happened, but they're going to put his hand on a little black book, right? >> that's what i'm going to be listening to. and is he going to deny it under oath? and he's not. >> stephen: do you ever wish you had subpoena power? >> oh, it would be so good. it would be so good. >> stephen: we have to take a quick break but we'll be right back with more jonathan karl, everybody. stick around. kesimpta is an at-home treatment that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses versus aubagio. and, when it's ready, it takes less than one minute a month to inject kesimpta. don't take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. kesimpta can cause serious side effects, including infections. while no cases of pml were reported in rms clinical trials, it could happen. tell your doctor if you had or plan to have vaccines, or if you are or plan to become pregnant.

you showed pompeo saying if it's fair i'm involved. i think it validates what the committee's doing. as for the 25th amendment, email i'm watching to see if they got close to that, which we don't think they did, removing a president has never happened before. the language suggests it's incapacitation, not coups. was it whether they got close to that or that the cabinet was worried that even after the insurrection trump was potentially going to do more and they had to stop him? >> from building a criminal case, building a doj case, which is more important? >> doj looks at crimes committed. even the coup has to go into what was the overt act, right? was it interfering with the actual administration of the count. that's different than the physical violence they've focused on. one way to think about this is we've seen a lot of charges for people who were at the capitol. we've seen zero charges for anyone who wasn't, but might have been involved in those other efforts to obstruct, sabotage, or delay the certification on the 6th. >> so one a

that is necessary and to increase military aid, to give more money, that is, if the scenario that pompeo says is implemented and the republicans will come to power here in the congress already in the fall, in principle they will have to fulfill their pre-election promises and it is better for ukraine. this is good, but in any case for ukrainian politicians for example, if the republicans win, it automatically means that the majority will not change, these nannies are a great friend of ukraine, who now heads the lower house, helps a lot, that is, on a large scale, you know, there is some kind of treason that they like to spread in social networks, there will be no support for ukraine, but all the same, you and i already now and the politicians have to think. well, how to make it so that the future is possible for you to change the political configuration in the united states, it was for the benefit of ukraine and only for the benefit of colleague kyiv thank you, dima, we are not saying goodbye to you, because i know that you are already preparing another inclusion with very interesting in

this is our cnn reporting on pompeo.mes as the committee has an increased interest. a source to the committee says they are interested in conversations surround ing the 25th amendment after the events of january 6th. we saw that from secretary scalia, who the committee has released some of his testimony that after january 6th, a number of trump loyalist, the people who stuck with donald trump to the end were thinking even though there's only a couple weeks left, we should remove him. >> and even kevin mccarthy brought that up with other republicans. this was something that was clearly whether it was within republican lawmakers but within the cabinet was a real discussion being had because of the fact that time and time again, the president was sticking with his attempt to get his vice president to go along with it, even when his vice president was resisting it all the way up until the very end. so it will be interesting to see how many details they have gotten, but the more interesting thing to me is how many of these pe

radcliffe, mnuchin, scalia, pompeo, stayed until the end of the administration. so, would testimony critical of the former president be damaging for donald trump? >> well, of course. i mean, these people were loyal to him. they executed his agenda. they, like millions upon millions of republicans, voted for him twice and helped him win his race in 2016 and wanted to see him win again in 2020. that's the same, victor, about thing the group you just identified. they ultimately are going to be representative of millions of republicans who were in the same boat, voted for trump, wanted him to succeed, and realized after the election on january 6th that he was in the wrong about this. doesn't mean -- it doesn't invalidate your work in the cabinet. doesn't invalidate your support of your party. but it certainly invalidates what trump did on that day and may affect your political judgment of whether he should be awarded with nomination for the political party in twour. i think about what it means for the rank and file republicans out here who did their level best for tr

mike pompeo at one point called bar and asked about that. i learned that directly from the other side of the composition. it will be interesting to see mike pompeo will acknowledge it? >> fascinating, judgment think carl, thank you so much. more now on the new justice department reporting and what it might signal about how far prosecutors are willing to go and how hard they are willing to prepare to get there. cnn's kaitlan has been talking to her sources, joins us now. walk us through this potential justice department court battle over executive privilege. >> right, so anderson, today, we are learning that the justice department is gearing up to get ready to go to court, as they are investigating for criminal -- possible criminality of january 6 and the presidency. so, one of the things that evan perez and another reporter here and i are learning from several sources today is what the justice department, prosecutors and investigators want to get access to now -- is conversations that donald trump was having in the white house in the days be

and the committee is negotiating with mike pompeo. his deposition could happen soon. the panel is clearly expanding its interest into conversations the cabinet may have had about removing the president from office after january 6th. what more are you learning about all this? >> we're hearing that the house select committee is clearly building out what happened in that crucial set of visors in the trump administration, the cabinet and the moments and january 6th, what they thought about the president and whether they considered the 25th amendment, removing donald trump from office to try and steady the democracy. so the news today from my colleagues on capitol hill is that steven mnuchin, the secretary of the treasury has spoken to the house select committee. we know that the house committee is negotiating for a potential interview with john ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, another cabinet level position. there may be classification issues around what they can say to him. they are in talks with getting him to sit down and say what he knew. we also are

that is mike pompeo, president trump's secretary of state. then robert o'brien former national security advisor to presidentt trump said america needs this legislation without delay. i want to also say a note of thanks to my own staff, my personal and my committee staff for their tireless efforts over the last year and a half on this issue. this is the culmination of a great deal of work by some very, very talented personnel, countless meetings, and mark up in may, a final vote by the senate in june after debate on the floor. all the staff members work nightsff and weekends. all of them contributed in many ways. iut will single out for recognition my policy director james meisel who was absolutely vital to d us and putting it all together and his entire team so thank you very much mr. president. i urge a yes vote and think the strong 64 vote we had on the cloture was indicative of the support and i anticipate its passage and look forward to the successful passage in the house of representatives. i yieldes the floor. >> i ask unanimous consent

what can mike pompeo offer the committee that others can't? why do they want to talk to him? . >> yeah. he's probably got a lot of insight into what donald trump's mental state was leading up to and then after january 6th. and i think that the committee wants to know whether mike pompeo had any concerns about whether donald trump was fit to serve as president. now, secretary pompeo appears to have political ambitions and may want to run for president. so the last thing he is going to want to do is testify that will force him to say anything negative about donald trump. >> yeah. as the political reporter in me is fascinated by the fact that he may ultimately be forced to speak on camera in front of the committee. thank you for your time today. >>> up next, the disastrous flood anything eastern kentucky. much of the water rising at night while most people were asleep. locals say they still don't know who is among the missing. >>> russia responds. we have cnn exclusive reporting who the kremlin now wants in exchange for paul whelan and wnba star brittney griner. i it and a certi

. >> it's possible they could speak with mike pompeo as soon as next week. pompeo talked about his interaction with the committee this morning on fox. >> we've had discussions with them about potentially appearing before them, trying to make sure we understand what it is they're asking for. as i always did when i was in service to america, i'm happy to cooperate with things that are fair and transparent and deliver good outcomes for the american people. i'll always do that. >> today you're a no. >> you mean i'm testifying? >> yes. >> we're trying to figure it out. i want the american people to have the full story of things that happened in the trump administration. >> let's go to melanie zanona. melanie, who else is the committee speaking with or trying to speak with? >> reporter: it is a growing rift. you are right the committee has begun to focus on trump's cabinet and conversations about potentially invoking the 25th amendment to remove him from office. my colleagues reported today the committee has interviewed treasury secretary steve mnuchin. we also kn

i think pompeo fits into that.that pompeo says he will go in and talk to the committee, i think it shows that he probably has less of a guilty conscience than other allies of the former president. but then, again it remains to be seen just how much these guys actually cooperate. we've seen this before, people, saying of course will go to the talk to the committee, we've got nothing to hide, and then when push comes to shove, the changes. >> and they can lawyer. up -- political reports the committee now has a formal path to share investigative material with the doj. -- here's what's committee member jamie raskin says on the. >> i think it's important that we have a working relationship, which is an arms length relationship obviously. we obviously have been able to tell a pretty comprehensive story to the american people and the congress, because we have not turned over facts to other avenues where they can get out. >> he, ago what do you know about the doj investigation and the extent to which she could rely on the

that is mike pompeo, president trump secretary of state. and then robert o'brien formerai national security said america needs this legislation without delay. so, i went to also a note of thanks to my, own staff. my personal staff in my committee staff for their tireless efforts over the last year end a half on this issue. this is a culmination of a great deal of work by some very, very talented personnel. countless feedings,ku legislatie and april, markham ma, final vote by the senate in june after days and days of debate on the floor. all of the staff members worked nights and weekends as an amendment mr. president through the committee and the floor. and all of them contributed in many ways. i will single out for recognition my policy director james was vital to us and putting us altogether. in his entire team. thank you very much mr. president pratt urged a yes vote. the strong 64 but we had yesterday was indicative of the support. i anticipate its passage i look forward to successful passage in the house of representatives. i yield the

pompeo but more meadows, pompeo might say. _ pompeo but more meadows, pompeo might say. how— pompeo you heard secretary scalia, wanted president trump to convene a cabinet meeting. he put his request and a memo to the president and here is what it said. you can see that secretary scalia recommended that the president quote, no longer publicly questioned the election results, after wednesday, no—one can deny this is harmful. secretary scalia also highlighted the importance of the public knowing the president would invoke his cabinet in decision—making and not certain private individuals. the secretary scalia did not say it, he was referring to rudy giuliani and the rest of the so—called clown car working with president trump to try to overturn the election. secretary scalia understood that the president needed to do more to reassure the public about the last few weeks of the trump administration. mr pottinger, when you made the decision to resign, did you walk out of the white house immediately. h0. resign, did you walk out of the white house immediately. no, i wanted to first _ whit

>> we know pompeo and his team have been sit being the committee. that is an important development because we know that the committee has been especially interested in members of the trump cabinet. and i'm told that is because they're very interested in conversations related to the 25th amendment after what took place on january 6th. there have been several cabinet members that have already come before the committee. we've seen some of their depositions during the select committee hearings and with some of the video deposition clips that the committee's released, including chris miller, who is the acting secretary of defense. they just released some of his deposition this week. of course the acting attorney general jeff rosen. and also the then-labor secretary eugene scalia. we know they talked to cabinet secretaries. they could have talked to cabinet secretaries we don't even know about yet. this also shows us while the department of justice obviously expanding their investigation, the january 6th select committee is far from being finished. >> wha

we have been on this tiktok thing since mike pompeo was in there and the state department.e any reason why we should trust the folks at bite dance? 's or any reason we should trust them? >> no. they may have given false testimony to congress. employees at tiktok testified to congress, we now have learned that was false testimony about security provisions and how they handled american data. what we know is tiktok has granted communist china access to our browser histories and our location. when you're talking about browser history that's one thing, that is a way for china to have a marketing edge over american companies but when you're talking about location, that is a national security threat and that is why we, the republicans on the energy and commerce committee as well as the house oversight committee are demanding answers from tiktok and the democrats are sitting back and continued to give china a free pass. >> laura: meanwhile the dnc is going all in on tiktok. according to politico they took the dive into the platform four months ago and officials are so far happy wit

former trump secretary of state mike pompeo is in talks to give closed-door testimony. cassidy hutchinson earlier testified that she heard an exchange between mike pompeo and trump's former white house chief of staff centering on cabinet member conversations about possibly invoking the 25th amendment to remove trump from office. other possible witnesses include ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. >> we certainly hope she will come in voluntarily, but the committee is prepared to contemplate a subpoena if she does not. >> liz cheney said the committee has not decided whether they will make criminal referrals of president trump. >> president biden taking a new step recovering from covid. the white house announced the president is able to get back to his regular exercise routine. he's almost symptom-free and his vital signs are normal. the president said he tested positive for covid last thursday. he met virtually with representatives from sk group about the plans to boost the workforce in the u.s. >> new developments with monkeypox. napa count

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taiwan once lit up for pompeo. that will color the perception of whether taiwan is leading strongly. that is auestion. amy: the messages of both xi to biden and biden to xi when they speak, what should they be? brian: taiwan will definitely be an issue. biden has a history of statements on taiwan. i think biden will try to play down tensions. i think this remains to be seen. amy: brian, thank you for being with us, founding editor of new bloom magazine, speaking to us from taipei, taiwan. next up, there is a global debt crisis coming in sri lanka. we will speak with an economics professor and richard wolf about inflation and recession and what it means for workers in the united states. [♪♪] [music break] amy: "better way" by ben harper. the international monetary fund warned tuesday that soaring inflation and the war in ukraine could push the world economy to the brink of recession if immediate actions are not taken to ease a worsening global economic crisis. the imf's chief economist, pierre-olivier gourinchas, sp

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he may think he may have a ambitions himself, but i think pompeo will not want to anger the maga baseat becomes an important constituenty for anyone looking to be president. so i'm doubting you're going to get anything spectacular, but he has said critical things about president trump in the past. >> now cnn learn ed a former ai to chief of staff mark meadows, they are cooperating with the justice department. what more can they add? especially with hutch son? people thought they heard everything during those hearings. what might pique the interest of doj? with what would they probe further on? >> doj has the ability to go a lot deeper in questioning a witness. obviously, the committee has limited resources. limited time to interview so many witnesses, but the justice department has been investigating now for well over a year. and when they are looking at a witness, they are not just looking at the headline testimony. they are looking at who she knows, who she can direct them to, who might know other people that the justice department can go after, and then they start to turn people to

to resign and pompeo, on that note, is another person the committee could be speaking with soon. pompeo saying on fox news just a few hours ago that he's willing to now speak with the committee. these are two people who were at one point extremely close to the president, had a lot of access to him, had worked with him for years. they have knowledge of his character, his thinking, his mood around this time. something we think the committee could be asking about as well, what the committee is interested in, what were the conversations white house officials were having around january 6th as to whether the invoke the 25th amendment. the committee members saying they want to know what conversations were being had about taking power away from the president in the aftermath of january 6th. >> ali, thank you. ryan, let me get the view from you, somebody who covers the justice department, and how this more formal sharing agreement, if we can call it that, might help the department of justice. let me start there. >> i think the reaction from doj will be finally, as they've been pushing the

he has, secretary pom pompeo said, you know, we had this debacle in afghanistan. and surrendered to the taliban. they did not deter vladimir putin in ukraine, and now we've got this unprecedented circumstance of china literally talking about an invasion of taiwan through our intelligence community sources. any one of these individually would have been, individual events would have been historic and noteworthy. the fact that all three of these things are happening during the biden administration really speaks to what a disaster he has been as a foreign policy president. maria: yeah. and, you know, when you look at his policy, he keeps being soft on china. we just spoke with miranda devine who broke so much news on all the money that the biden families has taken in, reportedly more than $30 million from different deals. then he fails to demand covid origins investigation. he had a 2-hour phone call with xi jinping, no evidence that he wrought up -- brought up the covid-19 origin. he canceled the china initiative, so there's no more investigating all the property the

pompeo himself announced the future by the us secretary of state carpenter persona non grata, of coursethe gentleman was quite a lot in order to promote the interests of the united states in this region, another question, that then the bad guy was brushed off this billboard blocked access to the territory of the united states closed. but that's the fate of any man who starts toying with the united states. bad, well, just played too much. he sincerely thought that he was the irreplaceable vladimir plahotniuk and vyacheslav platon was wanted, but the persons involved in the laundromat scheme were probably following the fate of their russian accomplices and received from 15 to 15 years in a strict regime colony, the longest term for alexander korkin and alexei sobolev in addition to long-term imprisonment. convicts money changers. they seized all the property, the most prosperous turned out to be korkin, 36 real estate objects in moscow, the moscow region and st. petersburg will be turned into state income, but they became the point in the so-called russian laundry scheme wound 20 defendan

and we have former secretary of state, former cia director, mike pompeo. mr. secretary, thank you for taking time. i want to get to your thoughts on abe. >> well, griff, thanks for having me on today. the world's going to miss someone who thought about the world in a very realistic way. and he didn't pretend it's as he wished it were. he was prepared to convince the japanese people to build out relationships with the united states and i first met him back in 2015, so goodness, 17 years ago when i was a member of congress and he spoke to a joint session of congress, not something that many leaders get to do, but it was a possibility and he became the prime minister again because he understood what they needed to do. they had historically had been a nation that hadn't armed itself. he knew the chinese communist party was a way for the region. and from a geopolitical strategist standpoint, the world will miss prime minister abe. griff: you met him on many occasions. was there a moment that stands out? >> you know, we worked very closely as we were preparing for o

. >> mike pompeo said he is considering talking to the committee about possibly testifying.d by these senior members of his administration cooperating? >> i can't get inside his head. not completely. but trump has always believed in unwavering loyalty. he is usually one way street, he never goes to people around him as much loyalty as he expects. and i think through most of his presidency that was a pretty firm wall. you don't think he saw many people in his inner circle, they quit before they really decide to wrap it out. and trump rewarded some of them, like roger stone, with pardons. i think the work of the january six committee has convinced those sort of, people like mnuchin and pompeo. to decide to testify. he is unfortunately very late in the process. but i think they took their cues from people like bill barr, from conservative republicans like liz cheney, who decided to partake in that process because it has merit. because trump tried to stage a coup. and i think the substance of what the committee appears to be asking mnuchin and pompeo and others about, betsy devo