, not name as pope. when he does not respond, pronounces him officially when he was card nam in 1938. and next slide shows pacelli ordination as pope pious the xii. this sets the stage a bit for our discussion. this is 1939. let's go back to 1922, when these two younger robust men come to power in the same year. the pope was not only vigorous as i mentioned but he was also known as something of a tyrant. cardinals would literally, to prepare themselves for a meeting with the pope get on their knees in a private chapel and be quaking, praying to god somehow see them through without the pope yelling at them or finding them wonting. the pope, and reading some of these accounts, first-person accounts of these meetings with the pope where the pope would turn purple with rage, pound on his desk, and keep yelling at, for example, a foreign ambassador to the holy see where he has been unhappy with something that his country has done. but the pope also had a highly-developed sense of the dignity of the papal offi

in doing so the pope supported his priests in a way no pope ever had. he didn't scold, he embraced.he moment landed him on the cover as the most influential person of the year in the american gay rights magazine, the advocate. saying the brevity of that statement, and the outsized attention it got immediately are evidence of the pope's sway. editors applauded him, saying therd whos resonate beyond the u.s. to the 1.2 billion catholics around the word. >> wonderful, i like this year with the pope. you have to pay attention, because i think he is going to make history. >> a year after his core nation, pope frances has been received in unprecedented popularity, as the first pope from south america, the 77-year-old appears unfettered by the trappings of life. born jorge the arch bishop was known for his humility, and modernizing the church, which was among the most 70 in latin america. from an order that focused on a dune to earth style, with an emphasis on social justice. the hope chose his name -- the friars gave up his wealth to serve the poor in today's, the servant of the servants

and the pope's library. the pope's library is where he works.here he receives his private audiences. and in the middle, we should say there are three huge windows in this library that let the beautiful light in. it looks like a lovely day will. there's a broad ma hagny table that's yards long, a case around all four walls and exquisite paintings. so it is that kind of historic, momentous setting for the kind of conversations they will surely have. talk a little bit, though, about the pope himself. one of the few things that has officially been said by folks inside the vatican is that there will be a pastoral greeting for him. this is a pope who we have seen very much get into audiences to take the babies, to hug and kiss audiences. we also know he's greeted a number of other dignitaries recently, vladimir putin. >> it's too bad the president did you want have toddlers to bring along. the protocol will surround a lot, but the pope is calling all of us to regardless of our station, regardless of the authority or power we might hold in the church,

as the president was received by the pope, the wo men sat down at the pope's desk. they were both saddled with interpreters. the two men conversed moments before the cameras were pulled away. we can see how the prestige of all of this is taking place. and there we see secretary of state john kerry. but obviously, africa, the middle east, syria, all topics that will most likely coming up. people understanding that these two men, one being the president in his sixth year and the new pontiff being just after his first anniversary, share a love of talking about equality and the plight of inequality globally. let's go to peter alexander who is live in vatican city. peter, good morning. this is what many people have been waiting for, to see the interaction of these men that they feel will go well because of their personalities and their brands fit. >> reporter: i think you're right. there's probably no two men like these in the world who fully understand the other person's experience. where every word, every expression is parsed thoroughly for its unique meaning. the minu

he goes into the pope's studio. accompanied by archbishop bangswine. and we should see the pope momentarily. >> wonderful to meet you. thank you so much. thank you. >> intimate handshake with about 100 photographers snapping pictures every second. and now the two will enter the pope's study. again, cameras allowed in there for just a minute or so. to kind of get a feel for the room. this is the photo op portion of this meeting. >> i'm trying to hear if the pope is speaking english to him. he speaks a little english. as i said, he's not terribly comfortable in it. >> i'm a little surprised by this setting. i thought maybe they would have two chairs next to each other. but across the desk from one another. are you surprised by that? >> i am. it looks a little formal for pope francis. but -- >> trying to eavesdrop a little on what they might be saying. neither man is wearing a microphone. we're picking up background sounds from the cameras. and this pope is extraordinarily popular right now. recent polls have said amon

about you more excited the president or the pope? >> the pope. in i don't know why. >> right now, probably both. >> it is pretty interesting to be here. >> for the moment, it's the pope . >> do you like this pope? >> yes. >> do you like president obama? >> sure. at least pope francis is the new cool. pass mostt not polling organization tests but it was a global survey of what people are thinking and he is more popular than president obama right here today. the president met the pope for the first time and they discussed poverty, contraception, and global conflict. we have been reporting live from the vatican. you can follow us on facebook as well. watching.much for do join us again tomorrow. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation, newman's own foundation, giving all profits to charity and pursuing the common good for over 30 years, and union bank. >> at union bank, our relationship managers work hard to understand the industry you operate in, working to nurtu

reagan and pope john paul ii. their conversations have a huge influence on the fall of communism. if the issue as the president said, of our time is economic inequality, that the pope has spoken about throughout his time as a priest, do you think this meeting could matter? >> absolutely. i think this meeting matters. i do want to say that i joined young catholics across the country in being a bit disappointed there wasn't a selfie today, but this meeting was -- didn't come with a lot of surprises or anything really unexpect unexpected but still exciting. when pope benedict and president obama met, we kind of all imagine imagined maybe at best an awkward conversation, at worst a stern lecture. we are hoping that the meeting, and it was a long meeting at 52 minutes, was a real meeting of the minds. these two men who have been driven by a passion for economic justice throughout their lives and careers, we're hoping testify a deep spiritual and i hope strategic meeting about how to really alleviate poverty and bring a

meeting with pope francis.t going to have all that much time together, but they are expected to discuss what they both agree is one of the most pressing challenges of our time, the growing divide between rich and poor. let's get back to the vatican, back to rome and white house correspondent michelle kosinski. good morning, michelle. >> reporter: hi, good morning. yeah, that's absolutely one of the subjects. i mean, social justice, compassion for the poor, equality and inclusion, that's really been at the core of this pope's position since he began just about a year ago. president obama, too, has really equated those goals and ideals that the president himself said are universal. and in an interview he did with an italian newspaper that we saw this morning, he was able to really say that, you know, he wants to meet with this pope on those subjects, that they might discuss things that they don't agree on as well. so, we wait to see what those topics range on to. it's hard to overstate how much this pope is loved

>> narrator: in february last year, pope benedict stunned the world by being the first pope to resign in 600 years. >> no person has had more influence on the life of the church, how it works on the inside, than joseph ratzinger. and he gave it up. >> narrator: when the helicopter took him away, benedict was leaving behind a bitterly divided vatican. this is the inside story of the events that undermined his papacy. it's a story of corruption and cover-up. >> if i don't get a response from you, i'll go public. >> narrator: of sexual scandal and abuse. >> if you tell anybody, your parents will burn in hell. >> narrator: of secrets and hypocrisy. >> so there we were, where they had had sex all night long, and he took out all his paraphernalia and started to celebrate mass. >> narrator: and a story of leaked documents exposing a bitter internal power struggle. >> i published documents dealing with corruption, scandals, frauds, nepotism. >> narrator: now a new pope, francis, must battle the forces that overwhelmed his predecessor. >> if he wants to change the church, it's going to mean de

. >> and the president and the pope. we're live in rome. >> hello, everyone you're watching cnn news room. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. a frustrating weather postponement in the search for malaysia flight 370. >> this one grounding the planes hoping to research the search zone in the indian ocean. the storms are whipping up turbulence and zero visibility. the planes had hoped to scour an area where images of 122 floating objects were recorded over the weekend. >> one of those objects is of particular interest. it's 23 meters long and it has the potential to be a wing. >> even though the planes are not flight, five ships involved in this multinational effort will remain in the search zone. andrew stevens joins us live. what impact is this expected to have on that debris? will they be able to find it? >> reporter: they are the key questions. and at this stage can't give any agree of certainty as to what happened to that debris when it is in the middle of a storm. this will be the sec

if darrell fired pope during their meeting, it would have been the end of pope's company. >> pope's finances were in terrible shape. he was on the fine edge of disaster all the time. >> with a warrant, investigators searched pope's home computer and found something suspicious. >> someone on that computer had visited a website on how to beat a polygraph and had, in fact, paid money to download a book on how to beat it. >> as testing continued on the blood stains on the floor of the crime scene, investigators noticed one blood drop on darrell north's pants that they had previously overlooked. >> there was a vertical drop on the back left pant leg of darrell north, while he's laying on the floor. >> the shape of the drop was perfectly round, meaning that the origin of the blood was stationary, and hit the fabric at a 90-degree angle. >> the significance of such a drop falling and hitting the pants perpendicularly while mr. north is on the floor is that it would mean that the assailant is standing above him, bleeding on him, after he has been attacked. so it puts a sequencing to the events. >> m

it's called my pope and it is dedicated exclusively to pope francis. >> jon: oh!n earth. i don't like it. i love it! what is in this thing besides 15 tips to better love thy neighbor, ten prayers to drive god wild. what do you have? >> colorful photo spreads, news about the pope and issues related to christianity and includes a centerfold poster of the pontiff. [cheers and applause] [laughter] >> jon: slow down there. a papal centerfold how are they going to keep that -- oh, tasteful. saucy but tateful. i guess it will have to go behind the counter pray boy and repenthouse. [ laughter ] i cannot believe the fandom that this poem has inspired. >> check out the mini pope. pope francis greeting his tony dopel ganger. >> he got through the security because of his little outfit isn't that adorable. >> jon: three things one yes, sir adorable. two, get yourself a serious security problem on your hands. tony, does his holiness look small to you today? no, no, he has at hat. i think it's him. wearing a hat, let him through. unbelievable -- pope francis drives his own pope

now we have the conservative pope ben expect the liberal pope francis and all these commentators saying, you can't really do that, but the narrative is so powerful that we can't really push through it. and so that to me is the most vicious aspect of all those trends, is that you end up not understanding the dynamics you're trying to describe. you end up using the preexisting rubric of political liberalism to describe the nature of christianity, which is a problem. >> host: cc pecknold, teaches theology, the author of this primmer, christianity and politics: a brief guide to the history." you're watching booktv on c-span2. >> we're spending a lot of money in this country to assist peace and reconciliation in israel, because that is the american goal, that is an american value. but turns out that my investigation documents that taxpayer money is actually financing the flames of confrontation and even terrorism. i'm going to be briefing today on policy, on what is wrong wit

he says, no, pope, you handle that stuff. we'll take care of the rest. just like my son who says he's got everything under control. in reality he has nothing under control. >> i just got a report he does have everything under report. >> barack or my son? >> ed henry is reporting that your son has it under control. >> income inequality is political. it was a choice. it was a choice of what he should focus on. went for what he had common ground on, make him look good, going to focus on the contraception mandate when everyone in the country is rallying for religious freedom? >> the number one issue which is income inequality. >> also his number one issue. >> so they married up, so that's perfect. >> that's what we're saying, let's resonate. find some common ground. get together. >> i'm sure the pope would have gotten behind other issues as well. >> ronald reagan met with pope john paul ii for 50 minutes and made an incredible pact that ended up taking down the berlin wall and communism. this meeting went for 50 minute, too, at which time maybe they could ha

the pope did what popes usually do which was he handed over a copy of his last major communication. in this case it was the apostolic letter that got famous because the news lead of it was this was the one where the pope condemned trickle down economics. the president said this is wonderful. when i'm frustrated in the oval office, i'll read this and it will calm me down. well, mr. president, maybe it will and maybe it won't. because that document is in the first case most of it is an exhortation to catholics to go out and evangelize more. be interesting to see the president take that one on. but it does have a pretty full throated defense of traditional catholic church teaching on abortion and these other issues of life. >> doyle, you mentioned the affordable care act and in controversy over contraception coverage. to the vatican does that issue outweigh any broader moral value of expanding health insurance coverage in the united states? >> that is a terrific question. and probably the theologically sound thing for me to say is that the vatican would not want to say we prefer a over

catholics feel left out by the pope's embrace. increasingly fret over the pope's style.e commentator i read say the pope is sowing seeds of confusion among the faithful. the issue of gay rights around the world, he opened the door to the idea of accepting civil unions. is that something you can see the church supporting? ing >> i for one, i haven't sensed that too much bristling among the conservatives. they honestly will say his style is a little different and might periodically cause us a little angst, but in general they too seem to be rejoicing in what you might call the evangelical fervor, the good interest in the life of the church. i haven't sensed a lot of massive discontent among the conservative catholics. he as you know, pope pran sis, has tried his best not to let there be a cleavage between him and pope benedict because there might be the tendency in some top character ca tour each of them and almost set up a bit of an anti-thesis. he keeps saying how much he loves pope benedict. he quotes from him. he's a shrewd man. you know what his name is, upontive, tha

president obama met pope francis for the first time, only a year since the pope too office. two of the most powerful and influential men in the world shook hands before heading into the meeting. although they agree on many issues, including abortion and gay marriage, they have some fight on global policy. he was watching the meeting as it happened. these images do contain flash photography. >> reporter: we saw president obama get delivered by his calf kade into the heart of the papal palace and through the corridors of the papal palace, eventually meeting pope francis in a room outside the papal library. and then the two of them went into the small throne room where they were to conduct their meeting. and you're right. the atmosphere, the body language seemed pretty much as good as it could be. mr. obama famously relaxed in easy. the two of them chatted. we know now that president obama said that he was a great admirer of the pope, thanked him for the audience. and we know indeed that president obama is an admirer of pope francis in the hours before this meeting, interview w

peters and the offices of official residences of pope, greeting the pope. i'm a great admirer, thank you very much for receiving me, they went and met together sitting across from each other in a very simple wooden table. they met for 50 minutes within afterwards, the pope emerged. he shook hands with secretary of state john kerry, also here with the national security advicer susan rice. it's an exchange of gifts that becomes standard now when the president meets the pope, the president presenting the pope with a leather bound seed chest from fruits and vegetables in the white house garden. the pope will open a garden to the public intended for gardening there. a form at, ritual and a warm greeting here for president obama. >> the president well represented at today's meeting, who else was there? >> we mentioned john kerry and national security advisor susan rice. there's a political undercurrent here, no question about it. first of all, the pope is known to be concerned, whenever a president and pope meet, the issue of abortion does come up. they are on op

bracket with the pope? are there any catholic schools left? they are all gone, right? creighton is out and georgetown didn't make it and no b.c. >> gone. >> villanova, gone. this is not a good year for catholic school basketball. >> chuck, i just was wondering if you've been spending any time with the secret service? there is more details emerging for the secret service after three agents assigned to president obama's european trip were sent home from the netherlands for drinking. supervisors reportedly already concerned about bad behavior after two agents were involved in a car accident when president obama visited miami. >> chuck's hometown. not a surprise. i think chuck is involved. chuck is in the netherlands. secret service guys on the hotel floors. >> amsterdam and -- >> south beach. >> what is the common thread here? >> reporter: i was going to say, these guys -- >> go ahead. >> reporter: well, look. in all honesty, nobody is excusing this behavior but it appears it could be a problem inside specific

agostino chigi was banker to pope julius and his successor, pope leo.onsequently one of europe's richest men, he persuaded raphael to decorate his new villa on the banks of the tiber. raphael created the illusion of two canopies to protect chigi's guests from the heat of the day. the gods dined above while the guests dined below, tossing their golden plates over the riverbank. chigi, by the way, kept servants below so the plates could be recovered. mercury, the god of money, presided over this splendid party and thus gave the pleasures of the flesh more elevated status. but the party-- metaphorical and actual-- did not last for long. vasari wrote... "raphael kept up his secret love affairs "and pursued his pleasures with no sense of moderation. "and then, on one occasion, he went to excess. "he returned home afterwards with a violent fever "which the doctors diagnosed as heat stroke. "raphael kept quiet about his incontinence, "and, very imprudently, "instead of giving him the restoratives he needed, "they bled him until he grew faint "and felt himself

pope francis is a spiritual leader of 75 million catholics. according to a new wall street journal pop, 55% of americans have a favorable view of pope francis. among catholics, 60% say pope francis has strengthened their faith and commitment to the catholic church. mr.obama may be hoping that some of that popularity rubs off on him. with only six months to go before november's midterm election, the latest ap poll shows mr. obama's disapproval rating has reached an all-time high of 59%. his approval rating remains at 41%. among the core constituencies whose faith in obama is slipping notably hispanic many are catholic. >> question, will the meeting between the pope and the president have any bearing on this year's u.s. november elections, six months from now? eleanor. >> it helps when the pope is on your side when you are talking about income and quality and about immigration. i think the pope is firmly on that side so i think the president can invoke his views and i think the pope is a good person to speak out and highlight the issues that the

president obama gave the pope a box of seeds from the white house garden noting that the pope had gardenss here. and the pope gave the president a copy of "boys of the gospel" the document that he wrote last year that talks about capitalism and inequality. joining me to talk about this is michael pepper, a contributor to common wheel magazine. julie johnson staples. lara setrakian and reverend cruz. so nice to have you all here. let me ask in part this question of church and society. it is frame in this moment of a president meeting with the pope. why is this even-even as a matter of the political theater important? why does it matter to have an american president showing up and visiting with the pope? >> i think it's very important, more so than being important for the president but for those of us here in the u.s. who are struggling for the rights of those impoverished, for immigrants and for women's rights although the pope has problems in that area. >> so the president downplayed one of the things we'll talk about later which is the question of women's reproductive rights at least but

the pope is the draw, not the prime minister. symbolically, the pope is the draw.that is what obama wants to show. he was to show he's meeting an important person. also right now, pope francis vrable ratings are very high and he is the man of the poor, the man of social change, which is something that is very dear to obama's heart as well. quickly, there are a couple of things an agenda that are practical, business that he will discuss with renzi. about that we'll talk energy needs. italy gets a lot of gas from ukraine and north africa, especially from libya in which right now is in a lot of trouble , libya. this means italy will have less gas and have to buy gas somewhere. many analysts are saying the u.s., shale gas. so this is business that he may be discussing with renzi. on the issue of security, you will probably discuss investing more or spending more for nato. renzi wants to reduce italy's defense budget. i think obama will say it needs to be increased. >> thank you so much for that. live at to come, we are the world's biggest watch fair. we will be speakin

in other ways i think it is finding and pope frances. >> is pope frances political? >> he will be receiving president obama in march. he is making a visit to. he is an interest to politicians and of course will be the photo op of the pope and the president shaking hands. i think the way in which pope frances is not political is more interesting in the ways that he is political. the person is prior to the interest of the state and the person should also transcend the interest of the state. who is the state really serving and the question of who is the market serving? i think that is a super political question that frances pushes the question in a way that is credible. >> what about john paul to, as he political? >> in the sense that it is an interest to politics because it has influence over human beings. the social teachings that developed under the second. he was interested in pushing the line that suggested that john paul to figure capitalism and that the prior tradition seemed always to be critical of capitalism and john paul ii developed things in a way that put

pope francis spends more time outside the pope mobile than in.cs say pope francis has renewed and strengthened their faith and commitment to the church, perhaps the most important thing to see in our poll if you're the catholic church. and approval ratings are unmatched among americans. the only politician, by the way, who gets close to the pope is bill clinton, and his negatives are more than twice that of pope francis' as you might imagine. here's a live look at the vatican. we'll be going there in a few minutes as the pope celebrates his first year. the holy see announced it's publishing an e-magazine, but the real measure of success is this, is he bringing nonpracticing catholics back to the church? i'm joined by bill, who spent an hour talking one on one with pope francis earlier this month, and he's sitting at my desk now. >> good morning, chuck. >> let me start with the basic question, and that's what i wanted to get at in our poll, is the most important then for the church at this point is, are they bringing nonpracticing catholics back t

pope francis will go to pope benedict and they will pray.e has been very retiring, and i admire his humility. >> help me understand the difference between doctrinal issues and -- whether it is contraception or divorce or birth control. these are issues that have been so debated. are those all doctrinal issues? >> in some respect they are. there is a hierarchy of truths. the center of the hierarchy is god created us. that is his focus. he is worried about a series of moral norms or directives being separated from that central reality and becoming a bludgeon to hit people over the head with. or to fight culture wars with. or to serve ideology. that is what he wants to fight against. he has been careful to say, don't expect us to change these. but the centrality of this -- >> is making people feel more welcome. people who might not agree with some of the pronouncements of catholic bishops -- they are not hearing as much from the pope and more about love and compassion and mercy. they are feeling more included and less excluded. >> i'm thinking

there's a pope quote that i wanted to read you but i don't have time to read it, but pope francis reaffirmeda bus as radical feminists. what does it tell you -- tell any of you about the church's focus on social justice issues that the nuns have really championed? >> i just want to say that the problem for pope francis on the question of equality of women in church, particularly as he negotiates this question of poverty where globally most of the people who are poor are women is going to be a problem that he's going to have to come back to over and over again. so i think it's going to be this dichotomy where on the one hand he's asking for full involvement in ministry and on the other hand, of course, there's now any opening to even see that women might be able to be ordained in the catholic church. it's a big problem that will be with him, no doubt, for his entire tenure. >> we're going to come back to the income inequality issue in our next block. stay right there. >>> the pope, the president, the meeting everyone is waiting for. are they the new dynamic duo? [ male announcer ] they say mr

the pope is a big supporter on immigration reform.uld concern exactly the notion of empathy as the president said for others and other countries in a way to avoid conflict in the world. this is a pope who even opposed the president's shooting missiles towards syria. i don't think that there's any question that that happened here. >> charles, any question? >> yes, of course it was a conflict of two political objectives, but, one, it's also a conflict of two stories about what actually happened an hour before. now there are a couple of ways that you can answer the contradiction. one is to say on the one hand you've got the bishop of rome, the holy see of whom a billion co-religious believe in his infallibility. on the other hand you have a man who said if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, so who are you going to choose? now if you're less cynical than i am there is a way to square the circle which the vatican made clear that it was including the conversation with the pope and t

he began the day with his first-ever meeting with the pope, pope francis, and there's no question about it, president obama hopes to bask in the reflected glow of the pope, and some of what we heard about in his papacy, now a year old. it has been a tradition for the pope and the president to exchange gifts, and of symbolism there as the president presented the mope with two medallions, symbolizing bringing the northern and the southern hemisphere together. and the pope, one of the main things that he wants to show to president obama with the gap between the rich and the poor, and he presented president obama with the joy of the gospel, a paper that the pope presented and wrote that got a lot of attention and was a renewed focus from francis on the plight of the poor. >> and president obama opposes e pope opposes the affordable care act mandate about couldn't session. and did he bring that up? >> whether it came up, whether pope francis brought it up, i think it's likely that he did. remember that the affordable care act does not require churches to require the insurance. it requires co

pope francis will go to pope benedict and they will pray together. father jenkins is right, he's been very retiring and i admire his humility from stepping down from one of the most powerful jobs in the world. >> rose: help me understand the difference in doctrinal issues and when controversy issues whether it's contraception, divorce or birth control. these issues have been so debated, an issue he spoke to not getting in the way of the pastoral role. those issues and doctrinal issues are all those doctrinal issues. >> in some respect they are. but i think jim mentioned it and it is true what he has said is there's a hierarchy of truth back in the catholic catechism the center of god created us in love and that's his focus. i think he's worried about a series of moral norms or moral directives being separated from that central reality and becoming a bludgen to hit people over the head witness or to serve a political etiology. i think that's what he wants to fight against. now, i think he's been very careful and those close to him say don't expect us

the pope may travel to the u.s. in september of next year for a world gathering on families in philadelphia. for more on what the pope and the president talked about today, and what it means, we turn to a pair of scholars: stephen schneck is director of the institute for political research and catholic studies at catholic university of america; and thomas reese is a jesuit priest and senior analyst for the "national catholic reporter." we heard the president say today i am an admirer to the pope. is it admiration mutual? >> i think it is. the visit was described as very cordial by the vatican. the video showed them interacting in a very positive and friendly way. i think this was a meeting where two people, you know, both of whom had walked the slums of their favorite cities. president obama as a community organizer in south chicago and the pope as the archbishop, both of them walking through their favorite city but the slums of their favorite city. i think they had a lot in common and a lot to share. >> yet, yet, w