the pope saying mr. trump's campaign promise to deport more immigrants is a middle harsh. >> again, this -- even the pope jumps in, it would be hilarious if it weren't so sad. we have seen this before in history where people get distracted and don't look at what is important. neil: donald trump's attacks -- you take -- >> i am not going to judge donald trump in terms of whether he is a christian or not. some of the things he does may not be suggestive of christianity but then again all of us have weaknesses and shortcomings. that is what it is all about. neil: kind of like for the pope, who are you to judge, very deft handling of that question. thank you very much. good talking to you, dr. ben carson. this is just coming from the new york times on the presidential race questioning the very pointed harsh criticism of donald trump's campaign for deporting more illegal immigrants. i don't know if it is a game changer, the environment and how we handle illegals and refugees in general. >> i don't see it putt

pope francis wading into u.s. presidential politics, suggesting that donald trump's immigration plans are not those of a christian. the pope was taking questions from reporters on a flight to rome after his visit to the u.s./mexican border. he responded to trump's plan to build a wall along that border and trump's accusation of mexico using him as a political pawn. listen to this. >> translator: thank god, he said i was a politician. because aristotle defined the human person as that. at least i'm a person. as to whether i'm a pawn, well maybe. i don't know. i'll leave that up to your dutchmen and that of the people. and then a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be located, and not building bridges is not a christian. this is not in the gospel. as far as what you said about whether i would advise to vote or not vote, i am not going to get involved in that. i say only that this man is not a christian if he has said things like that. >> our correspondent, rosa flores, was on that flight w

trump, the pope made a statement about you. i said, the pope? what did the pope say? i like the pope. i mean, was it good or bad? because if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad, i don't like the pope. no, it's true. well, you know, look. mexico -- i'm wise to mexico. and i like mexico. i have no problem. i have thousands and thousands of people over the years who have worked for me from mexico. hispanics worked for me. in nevada, i'm leading with hispanics. i'm leading the polls. i'm going to bring jobs back to the country. they like me. i have thousands of people who have worked for me. hispanics over the years. and i have great relationships with hispanics. and i've been telling people i'm going to win. and people are saying, you must be kidding. like, for instance, right here. came out two minutes ago, veterans right here in your incredible state, right? the veterans have just -- i've gone up eight points because of what i said. two days ago, about what i said about iraq. about the world trade center. i only tell the truth. somebody said, did you poll it? one o

in a pope v. trump world, my money on pope francis. rosa, thank you. >>> pope francis weighing in on the spread of the zika virus. he says using contraception to avoid pregnancy could be seen as the lesser of two evils during the zika outbreak. if women are concerned about having children with the birth defect, the pope says abortion is quota absolute evil and should not be considered even if a baby is born with brain damage. >>> help is on the way for the people of flint. $30 million to help residents and businesses to pay the bills for their contaminated water. also thursday, governor rick snyder who has been criticized for not acting fast enough has said flint is getting additional $2 million in state funds to replacing contaminated lead pipes as early as next week. >>> california officials say an underground gas well near porter ranch leaking since october is now permanently sealed and itiss safe for residents to return. utilities still hasn't determined what caused the leak. the flow of natural gas leaking from the well was stoppe

i like the pope. was it good or bad? if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad, i don't like the pope. >> reporter: pope francis talking to reporters on his flight back to the vatican from visiting the u.s.-mexico border, today offering a sharp rebuttal against trump's plan to build a wall and even a sharper rebuke of his faith. >> translator: a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be located, and not building bridges is not a christian. this is not in the gospel. as far as what you said about whether i would advise to vote or not vote, i am not going to get involved in that. i say only that this man is not a christian. >> reporter: the pope's no-holds barred media briefing was eventually met with trump's own unvarnished response delivered as this signed letter to the media and from a microphone at a campaign event. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which as everyone knows is isis' ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president. >>

trump, the pope made a statement about you. i said, the pope? what did the pope say? i like the pope, i mean -- was it good or bad? >> reporter: it wasn't good. >> he actually said that maybe i'm not a good christian or something. it's unbelievable. which is really not a nice thing to say. >> reporter: trump then turning up the volume. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian. no leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. >> reporter: the billionaire candidate accusing mexico of using pope francis as a, quote, pawn, in the debate over immigration and border security. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which, as everyone knows, is isis' ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president. the trump team even tweeting this image of the vatican, showing it's surrounded by walls. here in south carolina, trump has recently himself questioned the christian faith of his

two of pope's guys got killed. boatman got out of harm's way, but i have heard there were hard feelings. you know where boatman's staying? boatman is flying back to jordan tonight. said he took a job with one of our competitors. he's on the 8:00 out of jfk. boatman check any bags? all he had was his carry-on. mr. boatman? boatman? yeah. can you step out of line please, sir? why? we got some questions we'd like to ask you. my plane leaves in 20 minutes. well, you'll have to take the next one. come on. have a seat. what were you doing in new york, mr. boatman? i work private security. in iraq. that's right. i came over here to catch on with a different company. you had to travel 7,000 miles to do that? yeah. (fontana) why'd you make the switch? better pay. better hours. same reasons you guys change departments. we heard you were having problems with your supervisor, jeffrey pope. why don't you get to the point? all right. we also heard about the ambushyou were involved in. that's no big secret. then you wouldn't mind

you can't talk about the pope that way. he is our pope.orld's pope, because everyone sort of likes him. what do you think? >> you know who really likes him? latinos, this is really going to hurt him with latinos who see this pope as -- >> than he already is. >> whatever tiny, tiny thread, when he talks about -- >> this could help him. now even the catholic establishment out to get him. antihe antihe an antie antiest. >> it's like interesting thing. so we'll see if this hurts. >> teflon don. >> we'll be right back. rush limbaugh, i think i'm on the pope's side. rush suggested the political leanings are to the left of bernie sanders. here he is. >> the pope says that donald trump is not a christian, because christians do not build walls. they build bridges. given the pope's political leanings, i'm surprised he isn't on a campaign trail for bernie sanders. maybe bernie sanders is too far to the right for the pope. >> curtis, how is mr. limbaugh get up in the morning and sometimes before the newsbreaks, he figures out the pope's politics. >> h

. >> i know the pope. at all? >> i think in certain quarters, it may. but i think again if people read what he said, he was very conditional in his response. outside of cnn, most of the media have been unfair to what the pope said and therefore unfair even to trump. >> do you -- what do you make of the fact we've seen these much more human moments from this pope arguably than any other, certainly in recent history? we saw him get angry in the crowd in mexico yesterday when his hand was being pulled and he was sort of falling over that person and then we saw this moment. it just seems like we're seeing many more human sides of this pope. do you agree? >> i agree. while the pope and pump may not agree on everything, they have something in common. it's called authenticity. they're not handled and measured and try to think about what's politically correct. what you see is what you get which is why a lot of people love them both . >> that's a really interesting comparison. the pope and donald trump have pretty

pope francis arrived on schedule. at 2:00 this afternoon at josi martm international airport in havana. cuban tv podcast of these images of the pope's plane as it landed after a long overnight flight from room. he was greeted at the airport by raul castro. also on hand to greet pope francis were officials of the cuban catholic church. raul castro reportedly facilitated today's meeting between the pope and the leader of the russian orthodox church. the vatican said cuba was neutral ground for the meeting between the pope and patriarch kirill. years since the church split into the eastern and roman catholic churches and the leaders of the respective churches have never met before today. russian orthodox church is closely tied to the russian government and this is seen as a political message as well as a religious one. the pope and patriarch -- patriarch kirill are expected to release a joint declaration before the pope leaves for mexico. what are cubans and foreigners saying about this? i spoke to them and asked them ab

the moment on the pope's plane. and tonight, trump's fiery response. >>> the terror attack in california, and this evening, major developments. the fbi moving in. in san bernardino, what did they find? >>> forced to pay. the hackers locking personal computers, trapping your personal information, your photos. forcing you to pay to get it back. now, a hospital, patients' medical records hacked. >>> and drivers beware tonight. some of the most troubling bridges in america. millions still traveling over them. we've got the list. >>> good evening and we'll get to that feud by donald trump and the pope in just a moment. but we begin tonight with the breaking news, the horrific chopper crash, not far from pearl harbor. the chopper with several people onboard, crashing there into the watter off hawaii. the helicopter belonging to a tourist company, a popular flight for tourists. witnesses jumping into the water to save the passengers. the ntsb is investigating at this hour. abc's david kerley tonight on how they all survive

they see the pope and tell the pope bad things about me.'m very, very strong for illegal immigration. so now the pope says something bad about me, it will be all over the world, who the hell cares? i don't care. we have to stop illegal immigration. we have to stop the massive crime. >> mark halperin, you were actually in the room yesterday. how was the reaction of the crowd? do they seem to be on the pope's side or the donald's side? >> the strangest thing about it was in a normal year if a presidential candidate started going back at the pope there would be gasp in the room, instead it was like going after john mccain or megyn kelly or anybody else. the reason he did it, we talked about it a million times, trump does not attacks go unanswered. he struck back hard, if he wins weigh in will reinforce the myth and legend of donald trump taking on all comers. the other thing, i don't think this is why he did it, but this story was going to be about in this state about marco rubio's endorsement from nikki haley and tim scott traveling around, n

pope francis and pay tree ark key rail. the head of the russian orthodox church coming face to face at havana's jose marty airport. >> finally pope francis said pay tree ark key rail saying now things are easier. catholic and orthodox church is split in 1054 known as great exist umm and remains separated over a host of issues including the authority of the pope and accusations by the russian church that the catholic church tries to take followers in russia. >> at the airport poan francis wa was greeted by cuban leader raul castro. the second visit bit pope to cuba since september where he visited three sit tee. but this time after the short stop in havana, the pope heads to mexicic for a five day visit. there he is dpoactd o visit the

this is designated by pope francis. with me today, his father mark daugherty, a priest for the archdiocese of san francisco. father mark, you beautifully talked about what they year of mercy means for the universal church. the church around the world. let's turn our attention locally to the archdiocese which covers three counties. i know a lot of churches and a lot of nonprofit organizations across the bay area -- they are already living out the works of mercy. and they have been doing so for many years. but this year in particular -- they are really doing more as far as making intentional efforts to engage more people in those works of mercy and invite people to not only experience mercy -- but to share and extend that mercy to others. they just had a beautiful concert for syrian refugees a couple of weeks ago which was fantastic. i know a lot of the local nonprofits were getting together joining forces to help the homeless with the el niÑo. with all of this wonderful work going on. and i would love for us to talk a li

donald trump is facing off against pope francis. >> what did the pope say? i like the pope. was it good or bad, because if it is good, i like the pope. if it is bad, i don't like the pope. >> reporter: the pope offered a sharp rebuke of trump's plan to build a wall. >> i will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. >> reporter: and questioned the candidate's faith? >> translator: a person who thinks about building walls and not bridges is not christian. >> reporter: the pontiff hasn't shied away from the political arena, once proclaiming a good catholic meddles in politics and becoming the first pope to address congress. >> we, the people of this continent, are not fearful of foreigners. >> reporter: it's not the first time trump has taken a swipe at the pope. >> the pope is a very political person. i don't think he understands the problems our country has. >> reporter: today marked a dramatic escalation. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which as everyone knows is isis' ultimate trophy, i can p

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, today pope francis questioned donald trump's christianity and trump did not hold back. >> the popeis being told that donald trump is not a nice person. okay. donald trump is a very nice person. and i'm a very -- i am a very nice person. and i'm a very good christian. >> philadelphia catholics weigh in on the debate tonight. good evening. >> this all started when the pope said any one who would propose to build a wall on the mexican border is not christian. >> translator: a person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges is not christian. >> so there you have it. a lot of people talking about this. nbc 10's cydney long speaking with people in center city. >> she joins us from outside the basilica with more. >> reporter: a majority of people we spoke to said candidate for president donald trump is far too fast to sound off, calling his words simplistic and narrow minded. >> politics and religion should be separate. like it's been church and state separate and i don't think that donald trump should be -- he should be concerned about america. >

pope francis is a jesuit. father, thank you for joining us. >> good to see you again, jake. >> i want to make sure we get the translation right. is it that the pope said that donald trump, if he believes what he believes in terms of building a wall is not a christian or is not christian, because there is a difference there. >> i would say is not a christian. i think we need to look at the entire statement. you have to look at the question that was asked of pope francis and how he framed his response. so he was asked if he was being a political pawn, a political pawn of mexico. he said, well, as to the political question, and he became very philosophical, he said aristotle teaches this all human beings are political animals, so i suppose, yes, i'm human, therefore i'm political. as to whether i'm a pawn, let the people sdodecide that. but then he did something in logic which said the gospel teaches us that anyone who builds walls and not bridges is not a christian. therefore, if one, and i would say a person, n

the pope today.et's put up what the pope said today to show you all of the basis for the fireworks and the pyrotechnics. the response has -- this is lighting up twitter, it's lighting up all of media, has the pope stepped in it? >> i commend you for accurately stating what he said. he gave conditions there. if you're only interested in making borders and walls, and then he brings in the idea he was led into believe that trump wants to separate families. he told chuck todd in august of last year, we're not going to break up families, and then the pope actually said, listen, as you read, if he said this, and i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. so the pope was fair. trump overreacted but never said quite what was attributed to and by this guy from reuters and the media tried to make it sound like they were involved in a smackdown between the pope and trump. it's good for ratings, but they ought to be honest about it the way you and others have been. lou: betsy, your thoughts. this is pretty

i think the pope does as well. but the pope said something that i think he will regret, not regret look say, oh, i didn't mean to say that. i think what will say -- deirdre: comment on the person, not the idea. >> if he said that donald trump said these things journalist said he is not a christian. deirdre: not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. >> benefit of the doubt he didn't say it. deirdre: i believe it gives everybody wiggle room. >> if he says those things, baptized christian according to theology of the pope he is christian. might not be a good one. none of us are good christians. that, to say he is not a christian, we try. deirdre: the effort. >> he could have said, oh, i think his values on this issue or this policy unchristian, but not, if he said this he is not a christian. deirdre: father i have to ask you before we go, a lot of people are saying look at vatican. there is a wall around it. why is the pope not connecting with this idea. >> fair enough. that was built in the middle ages. it wa

he is the people's pope, the modern pope. >> calvin: that was jaime ortega, the archbishop of cuba pope francis is about to get on this plane. >> laurie: he will often hang onto his cap and his cap and his coats at time when it's so breezy like t ts. he just tookt right of as he says goodbye to his new friend raul castro. >> calvin: once again with pope francis was just there in september. he went to three cities including havana and santiago decuba on his trip in havana and on to the u.s. where laurie followed him as he hit new york city, dc and then e entually philadelphia where he gave some incredible speeches and incredible homilies to so many people who turned outut in all of those american cities. now he's on to mexico city where he will in fact deliver mass, and raul castr saying goodbye, waving at his friend, and as we know someone he is a big fan of, and, hatzel, we can't say that enough, considering that he followed pope francis all spoke to cuban people as well. we're talking about raul castro. >> hatzel: and, of course, we have to mention that raul castro, the pope, i should

i like the pope. was it good or bad because if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad i don't like the pope. >> it's like jesus said blessed are the poor unless they said something bad about me, then screw them. >> if i told you two years ago that donald trump would be in a fight with the pope, you'd think i was insane. i mean, this makes taylor swift >> being president is a serious job job. it's not hosting a talk show. >> oh, i'd love to hear him say that to oprah. i really would. maybe i don't get to do serious stuff like pardoning a turkey on thanksgiving by i'll tell you something, mr. obama, every minute of every day i'm thinking about how to keep americans safe from matt damon. are you thinking about that? >> ted cruz was talking about how much he likes singing and even treated the crowd to a little stevie wonder. check it out. you know i just called to say i love you i just called to say i care >> oh, even stevie wonder was like even i know that dude is white. it's like -- i just called >> oh, very good, gentlemen. all right, well, that's what's ame

pope francis is seen way too political. >> pope francis, in my opinion, is the first christian pope we've had in my lifetime. the man is out there. he is actually teaching, following teachings of christs no matter who it offends. >> you feel that way on abortion chris? slow down. >> i don't agree with him on everything. trish: you may like him because he is talking a lot of socialist type stuff these days. >> talking like christ. trish: capitalism really isn't a system that works in his view. you know how i feel about that. i think you're a capitalist, chris. >> i am. trish: all right. so i know how you feel about that too. this is pope four points out has gotten extremely political and that doesn't well with a lot of people, ford. >> no, it doesn't. it doesn't sit well and part of this reason is because where the pope is from. he is from south america. they don't see capitalism same way they do. it is really corporatism. when it comes to climate change, whole host of issues this, is truly activist pope. >> he is. >> who am i to argue with the holy father, with that said i have to look at

trump, the pope made a statement about you." i said, "the pope? what did the pope say?"e pope. i mean, was it good or bad? because if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad, i don't like the pope. >> stephen: you've got to respect his honesty. it is like jesus said, "blessed are the poor, unless they said something bad about me, then screw 'em." (laughter) (cheers and applause) i want to try to broker a peace. mr. trump, mr. pope, is it possible that you guys are fighting because you have so much in common? after all, you both think you're infallible. you both sit on golden thrones and you both wear very silly things on your heads. (laughter) (applause) of course, trump had to have the last word. >> so i wrote this out very quickly about the pope. do you want to hear it? >> stephen: not really. because we have got a great show for you tonight. (cheers and applause) first, i'll be talking to the star of "madam secretary," teÉa leoni. (cheers and applause) yeah. then i'll sit down with the lovely amanda peet. (cheers and applause) then i'll be talking to my old friend tri

donald trump against the pope. >> i don't like fighting with the pope. i don't think it is a fight. he said something much softer than originally reported by the media. he is doing a good job. a lot of energy. i would say that i think he was very much misinterpreted. i think he was given false information. if he would have heard our side. people that live in the united states. >> would you like to meet with him? >> i'll do it anytime. >> reporter: trump just one day after sending a cease and desist letter to cruz's campaign saying he would do the same to other countries. >> as president, would you send cease and desist letters? >> yeah. maybe to china. to china to stop ripping us off. to other countries to stop ripping us off. i would send them to mexico. when i say cease and desist, maybe the equivalent. >> reporter: jeb bush saying the talk of his campaign failing is premature. >> i do have momentum if you look at the polls and crowd sizes of town hall meetings. >> reporter: and taking on criticism. >> you will note, introverts set goals and grind. they go at it. which is a pretty

the pope's coming at him. >> donald trump is a good christian as is the pope. >> reporter: south carolina is known for its religious voting bloc, but only 13% of republican primary voters in 2012 were catholic. nationally, that number jumps to 25%. swing voters who supported the last three presidents. >> it's not unusual at all for pope francis to talk about the dignity of immigrants. what is unusual is the extent to which donald trump escalated. >> reporter: trump even admonished the holy father for something trump himself did to ted cruz last week, questioning his faith. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. >> reporter: tonight many people are pointing out that despite the pope's criticism of a u.s. border wall, vatican city where the pope lives has been surrounded by walls for centuries. lester. >> katy tur tonight, thank you. meantime it's getting even uglier on the campaign trail in south carolina with cruz and rubio trading acsigss of dirty tricks just two days from a critical primary. nbc's gabe gutierrez frames the dispute for us. >> reporter: if

world war ii files and what files of the wartime pope, there was no response. when he came to america the washington post editorial said the same thing and there was no response which i am hopeful francis will not just be a reformer going back in the vatican bank history but also going forward. he can do that by releasing the bank's world war ii files. >> host: one of your former books, secret of the kingdom, the inside story of the saudi u.s. connection. how do you get the information? when you sign the book with a publisher you never know what the story is. i am doing lincoln's assassination, i pretty much know what the story is, a different narrative than many fine writers. a living subjects like the saudi royal family or vatican bank, i throw out to everybody, i read everything available on the subject, markdown names, not knowing whether they are alive or dead for an interview and narrow down my wish list of people i would like to interview. a lot of people say no or get what i call on the record formal interviews, and occasionally what happens in my profe

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